Ghost?

[Halley]

Is ghost just a fancy term for a gecko that has less color than normal? Or is it an actually gene? I believe it to just be a gecko with less than normal color, but just wanted to clear it up.

 

[Nigel4less]

Ray Hine considers Ghosts to be seperate Dominant Hypo Gene. But IMO they are just Hypos.

 

[boutiquegecko]

It's still being researched if co-dom or dominant. It's not just a normal hypo. Here are links with a little more more info. I checked the wiki, but no info there. You could do a search on ray hines ghost as well.
http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=3104&highlight=ghost
http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=19074&highlight=ghost
http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=14959&highlight=ghost
You should see some of the ghost enigmas-Jeremy's posted a few in show off your leos-very stunning. Ghosts are just beautiful.

 

[Crazygecko]

IMO atleast in ball pythons Ghost looks to be a seperate gene.
I believe in ball pythons a ghost when it sheds has a shed with absolutely no pattern to it all.
And after seeing urban geckos ghost african fat tail it makes me think its a seperate gene there also.

 

[Dragoon Gecko]

Young ghosts look totally different in my breeding stock than my hypos- the same for Mack Snow Ghost and Mack Hypos.
Hypos tend to have much more yellow colouration than ghosts, and most of my adult and subadult ghosts show a light olive-greenish colouration..
Personally, I am confident that Ghosts are not the same as Hypos..

/Rebecca

 

[Morph]

yeah all the ghosts ive seen just look to always be in shedding lol just a faded coloring

 

[Ccrashca069]

I have a Ghost from Steve of Geckos Ect and I have a Hypo Mack Snow from Kelli. I put them together to compare and I see a difference.

 

[Morph]

and....your conclusion is... lol

 

[fallen_angel]

This is a very interesting topic because I was always under the impression that a Mack Snow Hypo is the same as a Mack Snow Ghost.. Could you show comparison pics John?

 

[Ccrashca069]

I will when The male Ghost settles in a bit. Been home less then an hour from picking him up.

 

[Morph]

oh you just got him nice well let us see what you do when you can

 

[Ccrashca069]

Ok got some pics. I even tossed in a really cool pic. PS: it isn't gecko related
This is Tom My Male Ghost from Steve

And This is Kelly a Hypo Mack Snow that Kelli ( HISS) originally hatched in 07. This is a pic I took of her a week or so ago. Used flash because of the smokey sky.

Ok Bonus pic This amazing young fox was hit by a car is now getting therepy to use its front legs again. He was found not far from where I live.

 

[Morph]

awww the fox is cool!

the hypo mack snow looks more like a ghost and vise versa...???

i always thought the ghost were the reduced coloring leos. cool leos either way though

 

[Ccrashca069]

I was going to try for a new pic of her but she wasn't coroperating. In person she is darker then he is. The pic I have of her I had to use flash because of alot of smoke in the sky lately. The pic of him was natural light no flash.

The pic of the fox I took last night at the Vet Hospital. I wanted to reach out and pet him but only the vets are vacinated for rabbies.

 

[Morph]

oh ok thats prbably why

 

[fallen_angel]

I still don't understand the difference, but they are both very gorgeous leos :smitten:

That's awesome that the fox is getting therapy, what a cutie!! Best wishes to him/her recovering quickly :sweetheart:

 

[Ccrashca069]

Ok I did my own asking. Ghost and Hypo Mack snows are the same. My Male was created using the Ray Hine Dominant Hypo gene. Steve gave me that info. Thanks Steve

 

[Griesi]

I still don't understand the difference, but they are both very gorgeous leos

This may make it a little more obvious. Try to find the ghosts (all have been incubated at the same °F):

these are from a Raptor x Ray Hine Hypo Ghost pairing. In my opinion the "Hine-Hypo-gene" and the "Hine-Ghost-gene" might be something different. I have seen Hypos from that line that don`t seem to be ghosts at all and I have seen Hypo Ghosts (see the picture above). What I haven`t seen yet is a non-hypo Ghost.

Best regards
Karsten

 

[boutiquegecko]

Jess, the difference in John's geckos is one is a ghost and one is a mack ghost, so has the added mack gene.
I wasn't aware that there were two diff lines-hypo and ghost. I was under the impression his hypo line was the "ghost" line, as his hypos if you go to his webisght, have no ct or tang influence. They do look very different than other hypos. There have been a number of ghost crosses and you can definately see the ghost influence. It gives the gecko a washed out look (like it's in shed). Read over the one link I posted here-Johannes theory-she did a lot of work with the hypos aka ghosts. I think it's in the second link.