Help Idenify Morph??!

[Reborn]

I'm confused on my two. They were sold to me as Tremper albinos(one mack snow the other a engima) and there baby came out looking like a mack snow? Is it possible for it to be a mack snow? Know the baby is a early hatchling and her colors may not have developed right but ill include a pic of her and the parents(eye shots too) Can anyone help confer both them to be tremper albinos? I purchased them from Gerrick DeMeyer last spring and maybe they messed up my order? I dout it but here the pics.

Baby:

Mom Tremper albino engima:

eye shot:

Dad(about 7 months)Mack snow tremper albino:

eye shot:

 

[acpart]

The parents are Trempers. The baby is likely a Mack snow given the coloring. There is a 50% chance that a Mack snow parent will produce a Mack snow baby, since only 1 copy of the gene is needed. It should be a Tremper but you'll be more sure as the baby grows, colors up and you can see its eyes better. I've had a couple hatch where I really wasn't sure the first week or so whether they were Trempers or not (these were the product of hets, so it could have gone either way) but after awhile it was pretty clear what they were.

Aliza

 

[Reborn]

The parents are Trempers. The baby is likely a Mack snow given the coloring. There is a 50% chance that a Mack snow parent will produce a Mack snow baby, since only 1 copy of the gene is needed. It should be a Tremper but you'll be more sure as the baby grows, colors up and you can see its eyes better. I've had a couple hatch where I really wasn't sure the first week or so whether they were Trempers or not (these were the product of hets, so it could have gone either way) but after awhile it was pretty clear what they were.

Aliza

Thank you, i was pretty sure they were trempers, i dont see Gerrick making a mistake like that, but ya never know. So it is possible for the baby to come out a mack snow despite both parents both being Trempers(no hets)? I didnt know that^^; But like you said wont know for sure till(if) she colors more as she gets older. Like i said before she is a early hatchling and is super small...She may not make it.

 

[jermh1]

That does not look like an albino baby to me. The snow could be hidden in either adult, as it fades with age. But the baby does not look albino with both parrents being albino, means there might be a mistake.

 

[Jordan]

the hatchling looks like a mack snow to me, you should find out after a bit of growth whther or not its albino too. from your pairing it SHOULD be albino. and theres also a 50% chance that its mack snow and also enigma.
you can get trempers, mack snow trempers, tremper enigmas, and mack snow enigma trempers from your pairing i believe.

 

[acpart]

The baby can only be a Mack snow if one of the parents is a snow and according to you the father is a Mack snow tremper albino. There is no "het" for snow: 1 copy of the gene and you get a snow, 2 copies and you get a super snow, no copies and you get a normal with no snow genetics.

Aliza

 

[Reborn]

Yes i know there is a chance that she could have be mack snow, but really she should be a tremper mack snow@.@ They both look like trempers to me and many others but this baby is competely blowing our minds! BUT it is possible that because she has hatched early that her colors have not come in yet. Im told the color is one of the very last things to develope and since shes atleast a week early. Right now im still saying she's still a enigma wiether it be this or that she circles and jolts randomly. She doesnt look like a engima but still waiting on her first shed....and to just eat! She's 4 days today<3 Our little under dog.

ps Aliza- i know theres no hets for snow:main_thumbsup: I have researched for well over a year on morphs haha HENCE why im confused@.@ Everything ive read/been told is if both parents are the same albino then the babies will be that way.

Jordan- Yes i know the possiblities. I'm hoping to get a tremper albino mack snow enigma. That was the hole reason of breeding the two but im lost with this little one(as mentioned)

Can anyone confer about the color being the last thing to develope(or one of them) someone on this forum told me(forgot>.<) but its always nice to have a second oppion on that. Thanks all for your input.

 

[jermh1]

I have found with my tangerines the color takes some time to brighten up. but albinos are usually bright, sometimes even all pink with the early hatchers, with pink eyes, which darken over a few days. I have seen non snow normals that hatched small(2-2.5g), and kind of looked like yours, then the yellow filled in within 2-3 weeks. I have never seen an albino hatch that dark and it surly wont lighten up that much over time. I would contact Gerrick and see what he has to say about it. maybe he has on odd strain that does, but I doubt it. In my experience my albino snow hatchlings are white and pink, normal snows white and black.

 

[Reborn]

She's shedding right now so when she's done ill post a pic in good lighting. She's looking kinda marron color now. NOT pink but not black ish(i do have mack snow so i know what they look like) I do have other eggs incubating from the same paring so if a normal does pop out(will know in about 3 ish weeks) i know they are different albinos and someone made a mistake there. Im gonna wait till she sheds, she what she looks like(will post a pic) then then wait for the other baby to hatch and see what she comes out. Im really hoping no one did make a mistake>.< I really wanted to get a tremper albino mack snow enigma!(3rd favorite morph!XD) Also didnt wanna breed the female again as she gets so stressed. But thanks all. I'll post pics tomorrow/later tonight when she's done shedding for everyone(in good lighting).

 

[BiKA]

Both the parents looks albino to mee too but the hatchling doesn't.It looks more like a mack snow(non albino) as others said.i have had a premature mack snow hatchling that looks similar to yours which i thought was an albino mack snow at first due to the maroon bands instead of black when it hatched but when i look into the eyes,it has normal eyes instead of albino.it was a mack snow.The hatchling pics of yours looks like normal eyes.if it's an enigma,maybe the enigma gene mess up the eyes pigment.like you,as far as i know albino x albino = 100% albino.in your case i m totally clueless.i remember previously there was a thread of raptor x raptor and got no albino hatchling which i remember lead to no conclusion.Here is a pic of mine for your reference and comparison.i always wonder is there any possiblity for a female leo store sperm for 2 seasons.if it can,then it could be one reason.

 

[Reborn]

BiKA- thank you very much for that pic! That one looks very similar to mine, but mine is lighter. the pic of her there was with a heat lamp on lol very poor lighting. As BEST i can look into her eyes they are darker but definatley not normal they look almost eclipsed... I tried to get a pic of them voomed but shes so freaking small the camera cant focus right and they come out poor...This is confusing@.@ I'll TRY to get a real good pic of her eye(s) when shes done shedding. IF anyone would like to see her sister...ick then i could take a pic...i had to put her in the freezer as its winter here...She is alot lighter then this baby(the dead one) Dunno about eyes since hers were closed but if anyones interested...I could muster up enough courage to take a quick pic...Dunno how well itll be since she has been in there for 2 days.. This little one(named kagura by a UK friend) is lighter then your's BiKa(unless yours is bad lighting too lol) and the dead one(who would have been named Kaoru by a Swedish friend) is lighter then Kagura...aaawww our little mystery baby lol. Who will be totally blown away if the other 4 eggs by the same pairing come out albino? XD ooowwwww this is gonna be so exciting! Alois and Kanna(the ones incubating) need to hatch <3(the other 2 arent lane yet but she is gravid) thank you all and again better pic tomorrow of the little mystery! Do you all think i should contacted Gerrick now and see if he messed up? Or see what he has to say about it now or wait till another hatchs?

 

[Reborn]

So here are the pics....she wouldnt hold still in my "shot box" she almost fell off it! So these will have to do. She did lighten quite a bit with this shed. It is noticable here dunno about with the camera and her now holding still.

In shed can kinda see her eyes there snake eyes, almost all black, i guess(will know when shes bigger and i can zoom:

NOT holding still:

Happy to be on my hand:

She's quite tame: