Het Raptor questions and other raptor questions...

[Boanerges]

So if you breed two classic raptors together will you hatch out all classic raptors? Or could you still possibly get a mixture?

 

[Knobs]

you will get a mix..

 

[Paco]

Jeff... and other's who have replied.

There are some very good threads here on GF about Raptor Genetics and how they work do a search.

It seems that many get Confused on how the genetics work.

The Patternless in Raptors Comes from the original breeding of Stripe to Reverse Stripe and it is not the Murphy Patternless.

Raptors throw all kinds of Patterns. I can be Very Random some times, because they have all the genetics in there even if they are not expressing it. I got RERS and Banded from a very Solid colored Raptor Female. Breed to my Nova male. The Eclipse Eye Trait Is Super Random at times as well.

We pretty much have come to terms in the Industry that Raptors can be Banded, Jungle, Reverse Stripe, Stripe, Patternless. The "Classic" Raptor was a Patternless animal but even the Originator calls Albino's with Eclipse Eyes Raptor's regardless of their pattern. So that make's them Raptors in my book. Plus if you know how the Genetics work most understand what you are saying when you say you have a Raptor Regardless of Pattern.

 

[BlackDiamondGeckos]

Jeff... and other's who have replied.

There are some very good threads here on GF about Raptor Genetics and how they work do a search.

It seems that many get Confused on how the genetics work.

The Patternless in Raptors Comes from the original breeding of Stripe to Reverse Stripe and it is not the Murphy Patternless.

Raptors throw all kinds of Patterns. I can be Very Random some times, because they have all the genetics in there even if they are not expressing it. I got RERS and Banded from a very Solid colored Raptor Female. Breed to my Nova male. The Eclipse Eye Trait Is Super Random at times as well.

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We pretty much have come to terms in the Industry that Raptors can be Banded, Jungle, Reverse Stripe, Stripe, Patternless.

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The "Classic" Raptor was a Patternless animal but even the Originator calls Albino's with Eclipse Eyes Raptor's regardless of their pattern. So that make's them Raptors in my book.

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[nuttyaboutgeckos]

the bit that confuses me though is have you ever seen a banded APTOR??? a "banded" APTOR would be a tremper albino not a banded APTOR,so how could you get a "banded" raptor from a APTOR and call it a raptor.it has bands so there for is not pattenless which is what the line breeding in a RAPTOR is isnt it?Also given what ron tremper stated a "classic" RAPTOR is just basicly a red eyed APTOR(Red-eye Albino Patternless Tremper ORange) so how is it a raptor if it has snake eyes?hes just contradicted himself with his own morph name?so either he needs sort his gentics out and clear this up,or it isnt a raptor as it doesnt have red eyes.i dont use trade names myself,i go off what the animal is and whats in it.im not arguing with anyone before you all jump on me but im sorry i just dont understand how you see them as raptors.

 

[Paco]

the bit that confuses me though is have you ever seen a banded APTOR??? a "banded" APTOR would be a tremper albino not a banded APTOR,so how could you get a "banded" raptor from a APTOR and call it a raptor.it has bands so there for is not pattenless which is what the line breeding in a RAPTOR is isnt it?Also given what ron tremper stated a "classic" RAPTOR is just basicly a red eyed APTOR(Red-eye Albino Patternless Tremper ORange) so how is it a raptor if it has snake eyes?hes just contradicted himself with his own morph name?so either he needs sort his gentics out and clear this up,or it isnt a raptor as it doesnt have red eyes.i dont use trade names myself,i go off what the animal is and whats in it.im not arguing with anyone before you all jump on me but im sorry i just dont understand how you see them as raptors.

This has been discussed many Times. Yes it would make more sense to call them Albino het Eclipse but most don't know the Backround of the Eclipse Gene and what it does. So it's easier to Use "Raptor" as the Description because it Tells the person all the Traits the animal Carries. Wether the animal is Jungle. Banded, Reverse Stripe or Stripe. Not just the Eclipse Eye trait, which what most only know of. Hence why Whatever Morph it is ex.Banded and "Raptor" is in quotes. Other Wise it's called just a Raptor if it's the Classic Raptor.

As for all red eyes. Ron was calling them Snake-eyed Raptor when the were first Produced in 2004.

They have Isolated the Eclipse Gene Now. So it's eaiser to use the term "Raptor" Even if the animals is Banded, because it has the genetic ablity to produce a Raptor.

Why make things even more confusing than they already are. When People say Raptor the majority know what you mean wether it's banded Jungle Reverse Stripe or Stripe. JMO

If anyone Can Answer this what doer the R stand for in APTOR and RAPTOR?? Other Wise it should be Apto and Rapto? Ha ha.

 

[nuttyaboutgeckos]

This has been discussed many Times. Yes it would make more sense to call them Albino het Eclipse but most don't know the Backround of the Eclipse Gene and what it does. So it's easier to Use "Raptor" as the Description because it Tells the person all the Traits the animal Carries. Wether the animal is Jungle. Banded, Reverse Stripe or Stripe. Not just the Eclipse Eye trait, which what most only know of. Hence why Whatever Morph it is ex.Banded and "Raptor" is in quotes. Other Wise it's called just a Raptor if it's the Classic Raptor.

As for all red eyes. Ron was calling them Snake-eyed Raptor when the were first Produced in 2004.

They have Isolated the Eclipse Gene Now. So it's eaiser to use the term "Raptor" Even if the animals is Banded, because it has the genetic ablity to produce a Raptor.

Why make things even more confusing than they already are. When People say Raptor the majority know what you mean wether it's banded Jungle Reverse Stripe or Stripe. JMO

If anyone Can Answer this what doer the R stand for in APTOR and RAPTOR?? Other Wise it should be Apto and Rapto? Ha ha.

If ron was clalling them snake eyed then why did he call it RAPTOR in the first place?R-red eyed-A-albino-P-pattenless-T-remper-OR-orange

the OR on APTOR is the same as RAPTOR.the only difference is that the RAPTOR has red eyes like he classified a true RAPTOR to be.Other wise imo you have yourself a basic APTOR that is more orange then normal-not hard to do through incubation, not a true or "classic" RAPTOR.Its lazy to call something its not just because it sells well or people are more familiar with a false animal trade name.the fact is unless it has the red eye then is just a Albino pattenless tremper orange.i mean i don't understand how people can say it is?you don't go to the shop by a bottle of milk and say its wine because it sells for more do you?so why say what it is if it isn't?surely when you breed it and don't get the results you want that proves it?

i know people wont agree to this as there is so much debate about the matter as people have not been educated correctly on genetics from the start.also i think rons labeling of the animal hasn't helped things.i just know when i sell them i don't use the trade names,i tell them whats there and if they think its a RAPTOR then thats their prerogative.

 

[BlackDiamondGeckos]

If ron was clalling them snake eyed then why did he call it RAPTOR in the first place?R-red eyed-A-albino-P-pattenless-T-remper-OR-orange

The snake eye is the gecko expressing the eclipse gene. It is red. So it is a raptor. It simply isn't solid. Eclipses vary, much like tangerines do- some eclipses have completely red eyes and others have less, just like some tangerines are bright orange while others are more yellow.

 

[Boanerges]

Thank you everyone for breaking everything down for me in reguards to my questions. It is appreciated :main_thumbsup:

 

[nuttyaboutgeckos]

The snake eye is the gecko expressing the eclipse gene. It is red. So it is a raptor. It simply isn't solid. Eclipses vary, much like tangerines do- some eclipses have completely red eyes and others have less, just like some tangerines are bright orange while others are more yellow.

hmmm i guess.i mean genetically they are no different really its just one is expressing

 

[Paco]

hmmm i guess.i mean genetically they are no different really its just one is expressing

There you go. You answered you own Question right there. They are Genetically the Same, They are just expressing Different amounts of the Genetic trait. wether it Be the Eclipse Eye Trait Or the Patterning on the Body.

A Snake Eyed Raptor Is No less A Raptor Than Full red Eyed Raptor. On the Genetic Level that is. They both have the ability to Produce Red Eye and Snake Eyed Raptor of all Patterns.

Also If an Albino is expressing the Eclipse eye trait it is No Longer just an Albino or Aptor. No matter how little they express.