How many Females to a Male?

[RoyalCityReptiles]

I am getting a new male leo, and I was wondering how many females he can be put with... without stressing him out... I have about 40 females, lol, and I am having conflicting thoughts on whether or not he could handle it!!!

-Nate

 

[fallen_angel]

LMAO, here I am thinking "well about four or five is good"

I have no clue as to the maximum number of females.. although I don't know if getting lady love from 40 different females would necessarily stress him out; the question is, how many females do you want to be laying eggs?

 

[Leonardo]

lol! a guy's dream!

 

[RoyalCityReptiles]

LMAO, here I am thinking "well about four or five is good"

I have no clue as to the maximum number of females.. although I don't know if getting lady love from 40 different females would necessarily stress him out; the question is, how many females do you want to be laying eggs?

lol, I want all of them to be laying. I think that the big breeders may know what my new male is, and I would like to breed him to as many females as SAFELY possible... he is not a cheap little bugger, lol.

-Nate

 

[fallen_angel]

lol, I want all of them to be laying. I think that the big breeders may know what my new male is, and I would like to breed him to as many females as SAFELY possible... he is not a cheap little bugger, lol.

-Nate

Do you have a pic of him? Now I'm curious, lol

 

[Stitch]

Breeding him to that many females can cause problems with the male, like a prolapse. I would talk to some of the larger breeders. In my brief experience I think 6:1 was the highest ratio I've seen. I'm assuming you have an Enigma?

 

[RoyalCityReptiles]

Breeding him to that many females can cause problems with the male, like a prolapse. I would talk to some of the larger breeders. In my brief experience I think 6:1 was the highest ratio I've seen. I'm assuming you have an Enigma?

yupp!

lets go with the 6:1 idea...
If I bred him to those 6 females... how long until I can put him in with another group of 6??

-Nate

p.s. I will get pics up soon!
p.p.s. About the prolapse, lol I can't believe I am asking this..I am pretty sure of the answer... if a leo prolapses, is he done as a breeder? will his stuff 'regenerate"?
(I am pretty sure that I know the answers to the questions.. but I am curious!)

 

[fallen_angel]

Enigma, I guess I should have known! Very nice

If I bred him to those 6 females... how long until I can put him in with another group of 6??

on this one, I wouldn't think until the next breeding season..

 

[RoyalCityReptiles]

^Not calling you wrong, but can a male not breed his continue to breed his harem all season?

-Nate

 

[Stitch]

I'm sorry Nate, but I see that you are new to the site and have 40 females. Yet you are asking breeding questions that I would figure a first year breeder would ask. Have you ever breed leo's before?

A 6:1 harem is usually the same harem year long. Like I said you need to ask some of the larger breeders to see what they would say is safe. I have only bred one male to two females in one season.

If a gecko prolapses, it does not need to be amputated if caught early. Males have 2 hemipenis, so if only one needed to be removed he could still breed with the other one. But if both are removed then he is done. The only thing a leo can regenerate is it's tail. BTW a prolapse can be sexual organs or other types of organs like the colon. Females can have prolapses as well.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Personally, I have only kept geckos in harems of 1:4 at the most. The males can and do get 'over-used' and wind up prolapsed, underweight, and even not have viable sperm towards the end of breeding season.

Now, since I house all my geckos individually, I introduce only one pair at a time. My largest ratio of designated females to each male is 1:5, and the male gets rotated every 3-4 days. So far, so good!

 

[RoyalCityReptiles]

I'm sorry Nate, but I see that you are new to the site and have 40 females. Yet you are asking breeding questions that I would figure a first year breeder would ask. Have you ever breed leo's before?

I am new to this site, you are correct, I am on several other forums aswell. I have been breeding for quite a while, and for the most part, lol, I know what I am talking about. My males are all with 3-5 females, but I was curious as to how many A male can safely breed. I may come off as a novice, but I am far from it.

This may seem as though I am upset with your post, but I truly am not.

-Nate

 

[Stitch]

This may seem as though I am upset with your post, but I truly am not.

-Nate

You actually typed that perfectly. I could tell that you weren't upset and you understood where I was coming from. :main_cool3:

I think Marcia pretty much answered the question with her response of males losing viable sperm with multiple breedings.



P.S. Man did I ever put my ratio backwards 6:1 :main_laugh: , should have been 1:6.

 

[RoyalCityReptiles]

Personally, I have only kept geckos in harems of 1:4 at the most. The males can and do get 'over-used' and wind up prolapsed, underweight, and even not have viable sperm towards the end of breeding season.

Now, since I house all my geckos individually, I introduce only one pair at a time. My largest ratio of designated females to each male is 1:5, and the male gets rotated every 3-4 days. So far, so good!

Thank you, Marcia.

 

[acpart]

It seems to me, that if you consider how many times, roughly, a male mates with his usual harem of 3-5 females and you maintain that mating frequency but rotate different groups of females in, than you might be able to have all or most of the 40 bred. There are 2 things worth thinking about,though: First, it's likely that you may get fewer clutches from each female because they won't be bred to the male as many times, and, second, does having that many enigmas work in terms of how many you can reasonably sell, and to a lesser extent, what that may do to the market?

Just some things to consider.

Aliza

 

[RoyalCityReptiles]

does having that many enigmas work in terms of how many you can reasonably sell, and to a lesser extent, what that may do to the market?

Just some things to consider.

Aliza

never even thought about that... what are peoples opinions on this issue??

-Nate

 

[fallen_angel]

^Not calling you wrong, but can a male not breed his continue to breed his harem all season?

-Nate

I think he can continue to breed the same 6 females throughout the season, but I thought you were asking when was the soonest he could breed with a different group of 6 females. I misunderstood you, sorry!

 

[RoyalCityReptiles]

I think he can continue to breed the same 6 females throughout the season, but I thought you were asking if he could breed with a different group of 6 females.

I was, but I am not seeing the difference between the first group, and the second. after reading this, I will probably only breed him to my best 6 females this season.

-Nate

 

[fallen_angel]

I was, but I am not seeing the difference between the first group, and the second. after reading this, I will probably only breed him to my best 6 females this season.

Oh, well the difference is that two different groups of six would mean breeding him to 12 females in one season; and at the time, the discussion was about how 6 females was the highest male to female ratio that had been seen and without prolapse.

 

[GeckoJunkie]

I think you may end up with a bunch of enigmas that you are keeping. The market can only support so much and with the enigma it is already starting to fall, just look at some of the prices now. Next just because it is an enigma doesnt mean alot. It will depend on the genetics that it carries. Any time you put money into play on how and what you breed you are going to loose. Unless you are the first on something!! Just my "opinion"