im confused with morphs and genetics

[gecko breeder]

im very confused on how to make new morphs or what to breed or...... ught everything its very confusing, can we start out small like how did new mophs come out and how did we come with new ones and then we can go form there i dont wona be a bother but i would like to understand everything please thank you

 

[George]

Im confused also

 

[neubauer geckos]

the first morph was a high yellow i believe.this was created from line breeding which means you take 2 geckos and breed them,then pick two that express the trait you want the best,then breed them back and keep doing so until you have the desired degree of what you want.in this case,they took ones with a larger yellow to black ratio,and kept breeding and choosing the more yellow ones until we had what you call a high yellow.

albinos and murphy's patternless' were created by random mutations.i believe the first het albino(now known as a tremper albino) was named bubba.he was a WC owned by Ron Tremper.

that's my understanding on just a couple morph's.anyone feel free to chime in or correct any mistakes i have have made.i hope this cleared it up a little.

 

[acpart]

Explaining genetics and morphs is way beyond the scope of a post. In order to get a sense of what it's about try the following:
--become familiar with the following terms: heterozygous ("het"), dominant, recessive, co-dominant, line bred. You can find out a lot about these searching the internet
--read about some of the existing morphs by looking at www.leopardgeckowiki.com
--read through the morphs and genetics section once you've done the first two.

In general, new morphs happen either from a spontaneous mutation where something that looks a little different shows up "out of the blue". The breeder who notices this can then breed geckos that are related or that seem to share this characteristic to try to get offspring that demonstrate the characteristic even more strongly and can refine the outcome. The breeder needs to determine which of the above terms (dominant, recessive, etc.) applies to the "new" morph to know how to effectively breed for it.

Aliza

 

[gecko breeder]

ok thank you very much i will start reasuching and if anyone has more infomation can please keep feeding more information cuz it helps thanks

 

[Taquiq]

These websites helped me learn gnetics

http://vmsherp.com/LearningCenter.htm

http://www.geckosetc.com/htm/genetics.htm

 

[gecko breeder]

thank you very much now as u can tell from my other post on here i am very interested by the raptor morph. now what can i get if i were to breed a male raptor to a famale Tangerine Enigma Het Raptor, what can the outcomes be please and thank you

and i forgot whats the diffence between a aptor and a raptor

 

[paulh]

These websites helped me learn gnetics

http://vmsherp.com/LearningCenter.htm

http://www.geckosetc.com/htm/genetics.htm

I've looked at both of these web sites. They are riddled with bad information.

I haven't seen a herper genetics web site yet that I'd recommend for learning genetics. A newbie's best bet is to get a book and then ask questions on these forums.

Charles Pritzel -- Genetics for herpers
Elrod & Stansfield -- Schaum's introduction to genetics
Miller -- A survey of genetics (in four parts, freely available at http://www.ringneckdove.com)
There are plenty of others.

I'd even recommend R.C. Punnett's book, Mendelism, over most herper genetics web sites. It's freely available on the Project Gutenberg web site. But it's a little dated as it was written in 1911.

 

[paulh]

thank you very much now as u can tell from my other post on here i am very interested by the raptor morph. now what can i get if i were to breed a male raptor to a famale Tangerine Enigma Het Raptor, what can the outcomes be please and thank you

and i forgot whats the diffence between a aptor and a raptor

Seems to me you are jumping into the deep end of the genetics swimming pool before you learn to swim.

Raptor is aptor with eclipse added. See the leopard gecko wikki.

Raptor is a combination of Tremper albino, eclipse, patternless stripe and orange body. Tremper albino and eclipse are recessive to their respective normal genes. Orange and patternless stripe are line bred characters, as far as I know.

Enigma is a dominant mutant gene. If there are two enigma genes in the mother's gene pair, then all the babies would be enigmas. If there is one enigma gene paired with a normal gene (most likely), then half the babies would be expected to be enigmas and the rest would not be enigmas.

Tremper albino x het Tremper albino -->
1/2 Tremper albino
1/2 normal looking het Tremper albino

eclipse x het eclipse -->
1/2 eclipse
1/2 normal looking het eclipse

Final result:
1/8 normal looking het Tremper albino, het eclipse
1.8 enigma het Tremper albino, het eclipse
1/8 Tremper albino, het eclipse
1/8 Tremper albino, enigma, het eclipse
1/8 eclipse, het Tremper albino
1.8 eclipse, enigma het Tremper albino
1/8 Tremper albino, eclipse
1/8 Tremper albino, eclipse, enigma

I'd expect most if not all the babies to have orange bodies. I can't calculate how well patternless stripe would be expressed in the babies.

By the way, this is the short answer. The long answer would be equivalent to a couple of chapters in a genetics text.

 

[gecko breeder]

wow ya i need to learn to swim first ur right , i was just wondering becase those are the pair i am interested in getting ya theres alot to learn thank you thoe i have an understaning with aptors and raptors theres just one little diffeerence and thats the eclips thank u

 

[neubauer geckos]

a really good book to pick up is called "The Herpteculture of Leopard geckos" by Ron Tremper and Phillipe De Vosjil.It explains a lot of genetics,morphs,care,and pretty much everything else about Leopards.

 

[fuzzylogix]

APTOR = Albino Patternless Tremper Orange
RAPTOR = Red eye Albino Patternless Tremper Orange