Is her poop normail?? and she is a sleep all the time:(

[subdave]

Im sorry for posting another question.

I was given a Leo as a present about a week a go.since then i have spending everyday reading and looking up at youtube videos to learn more.

I would like to know if my leos (Iridescent) poop is normal. it seem to soft and pale to me.

She is fed only mealworms. about 10. and i feed her using thongs. but today she refused to come out of her pink humid hide(she sleep in there day and night. she doesn't come out.) the worms are dusted twice a week with d3 calcium+vit. and everyday with calcium only.

i build her glass tank that is 40cm by 50 cm. there is a 12cm by 10cm uth thats usually 95f. and the cool side is usually 82.4f in the day and 78.8f at night. .

i know my post is messy. what i asking is
+am i feeding her something wrong thats why here poop is so pale?
+of my temperatures not right hence she a sleep all the time or causing her to have digestive issues?
+or am i just being period, and she just needs time to adjust?
+i read about mbd and now i think my leo walks funny?

Sorry for ranting. just need to know if shes ok and normal. im very sorry for the post.

About your leo:
- Sex - female, nut skittish so I have yet to get a chance to check
- Age & Weight - Around 6 month i think, was a gift. haven't weight her yet.
- How long have you owned your leo - 14 feb 15
- Where was he/she obtained - breeder , was a gift

A) Health/History
- How often do you handle your leo - every other day 5mis a session, they she always rather skittish
- Is your leo acting any different today? If so how does he/she normally act which differs from now. - she is a sleep all the time in her humid hide and her poop looks soft and pale. when she first came home here poop was dark and she walks around.
- Has he/she had any problems in the past, if so please describe. - i dont know.
B) Fecals
- Describe (look any different than normal) - pale and soft. pic above
- When was the last time he/she went - today

Housing:
A) Enclosure
- Size - 40cm by 50cm
- Type (ex. glass tank) - Glass tank
- Type of substrate - paper towel
- Hides, how many, what kind - 2, one moist hide(the half on the uth), and one cave on the cool, far right side.
B) Heating
- Heat source - heat pad 10cm by 12 cm
- Cage temps (hot side, cool side)
day-hot: 87.8-96.6, Cool 80.6
night-hot: 87.8-91.4, Cool 78

- Method of regulating heat source - tank floor= paper towel, uth = ceramic tile and slate
- What are you using to measure your temps- electronic thermometer with probe
- Do you have any lights (describe)- only room light
C) Cage mates
- How many (males, females) - none
- Describe health, or previous problems - none

Describe Diet:
A) Typical diet
- What you're feeding (how often, how much) - 10 mealworms, everyday dusted with Calcium. d3+vit twice a week
- How are you feeding (hand fed, left in dish, ect) - with tweezers, but also with a dish of them left in the enclosure at all times
B) Supplements (describe how often)
- What vitamin/minerals are you using (list brands) exo terra =cal, cal+d3, Mulitvit
- What are you gut loading food with - carrots potato

 

[Neon Aurora]

I don't think you should worry. She appears to be in good health and is eating. Your set up looks fine. She doesn't have MBD, especially since you are supplementing well.

I'm noticing is that your temps are a little off. 96 is pretty hot, and 80 for the cool side is still a little warm.

You might want to put a hide over the UTH. Perhaps she is not getting enough belly heat. I've noticed that when I tried using my humid hide as my warm hide, the air gotl warm in there but there wasn't a lot of belly heat.

 

[subdave]

okei, i will go get another hide and place it over the uth instead of the humid hide. but she is always a sleep in the humid hide. any idea how to cool down the cool hide? i added slates on the cool end, it should be cooler on the rocks. sorry and thank you for your help. god bless/

 

[Neon Aurora]

It would be ideal if you regulated your UTH with a thermostat. If you cool your UTH (down to 90 from 96), then your cool side will probably drop a few degrees as well. I imagine the problem will get worse as spring and summer approaches. You can get one for around 30 dollars that will be good enough.

 

[subdave]

I ordered one online. should be getting it soon. is just where i live. the central heating is on all the time at 84.2f/ so its always warm. and at night i turn on the ac at 78.8

 

[Neon Aurora]

Wow, that is pretty warm. The thermostat will help. It's very important to provide a proper temperature gradient since reptiles can't cool down by sweating or anything.

One thing you can do is move the humid hide off the UTH (or put a second one in if you're worried about shedding) and spray it with cold/cool water 1-2x daily, just to insure that there is a place she can go if she is too warm.

 

[cowana]

I think Neon is right on. Just follow her suggestions.

I just wanted to say don't be sorry for posting questions. That is what the forums are for... To help each other and learn. [emoji4]

Also, I'm really impressed with the tank. It is super cool that you built that yourself!

 

[subdave]

I did as neon suggested. The thermostat came in today . She has a hot and humid hide now.she still refuse to eat the meal worms even when thong feed.and her poop looks worse. Please tell me she's fine and im over reacting.

first picture is a friends leopard gecko poop. She says its normal that the poop is watery and that thry don't eat as its hibernation time. But im currently living in asia. Where the is no winter other then my aircon ( which I did not turn on yesterday to see if the is a change in her). The second picture is of my leo poop. There is only some stain and it smells like animal piss

There is no veterinary clinic where I can take her,as she it not allowed where I live. So I hope im really being peroniod. Will try feeding her black cricket tomorrow and pray for the best.

 

[Neon Aurora]

I'm a little confused on your pictures. The first is of a different leopard geckos poop? Watery poop isn't the end of the world, but the first picture looks a little too watery.

Fixing your temperatures isn't likely to work instantly. Give it a week or two. Is your gecko dropping weight?

It is breeding season, so it is also possible she could be ovulating. I don't know anyone in Asia who breeds, so I have no clue if breeding season would be the same over there based on climate and length of day, but it is a possibility. Females will not eat when ovulating.

 

[subdave]

Yes. The first picture is the poop of my friend's gecko. I have not weight her,but her tail has gotten thinner. I think she is only 4 or 5 month old. Don't have the actual age. Do they mature at such a young age? Will keep a close eye on her. Thank you very much.

She just poop in front of me. Its all like a gel like mucus. Is it because she has not eaten in 6 days?

 

[Neon Aurora]

Hm, that poop definitely does look weird. Some females mature earlier than others, and she looks old enough to me, but that doesn't explain her poop.

She could have parasites. Where do you get your feeders from?

 

[subdave]

From local pet store. her poop was ok the first 2 days i took her home. feed her meal worms and two crickets two days after,3 day just meal worms, forth day onwards she refused to eat. but i think she shed her skin on 4th day. 5th day onwards her poop got softer and softer till its just mucus now:'( i took a close up picture.

i saw opaque worm like thing in the poop. but when i tried to move it with a qtip it didn't move as looked like just like the res of the poop. there are no vets(not legal to keep) here that i can take her too. if its really parasites, is the anything i can do? or any one else her who know how i can save her?

 

[subdave]

I heading to get liquid panacur from the store. will try today and see if it make a difference.

From local pet store. her poop was ok the first 2 days i took her home. feed her meal worms and two crickets two days after,3 day just meal worms, forth day onwards she refused to eat. but i think she shed her skin on 4th day. 5th day onwards her poop got softer and softer till its just mucus now:'( i took a close up picture. View attachment 69278

i saw opaque worm like thing in the poop. but when i tried to move it with a qtip it didn't move as looked like just like the res of the poop. there are no vets(not legal to keep) here that i can take her too. if its really parasites, is the anything i can do? or any one else her who know how i can save her?

 

[Neon Aurora]

Since you can't go to the vet, doing the worming yourself in probably your only option. Do you need any help working out the proper dosing for a leopard gecko? I wish we could confirm that it is parasites before undergoing the medication, but oh well.

Making this slurry will help keep her weight up. I found that a lot of reptiles won't eat while they are undergoing treatment, so she will need this for nourishment. Problem is, I'm not sure if many of the products involved are available in Asia. Let us know which ones you are able to get and which ones you aren't, and maybe we can work out a substitute.
http://geckoforums.net/f130-health-medications/54742.htm

 

[subdave]

i will need to weight her first. then could you help me work out to dosage?
Will also try feed her cricket before the medication, and pray.
we have all the ingredients but Hill's A/D pet food. its definitely not impaction right? since she can poop everyday?

Thank you so much for helping me. i was feeling really lost. and thanks to this forum i discover penacur and i had to call afew clinic and see if any had them. they dont sell them here.

 

[subdave]

Her poop now

green instead of clear like this morning. Still not eating. She weights only 22.7g...length is 15. She is underweight right.... will give her 0.012cc of panacur?

 

[Neon Aurora]

Okay. Make the slurry, you can probably substitute for a different kind of cat food. Try to find one that is very high in protein and similar in ingredients to Hill's. Check out the ingredients tab on this page and try to find another food similar. a/d® Canine/Feline Critical Care - Canned

She didn't look underweight in the first pictures you posted. If you post a picture of her, we can tell you if she looks underweight.

As for the panacur, I need to know the concentration of the medicine before I can tell you how much to give her.

 

[subdave]

its say LIQUID PANACUR 100MG/ML
0.5ML/KG dosage for dogs

 

[subdave]

i googled it. Liquid Fenbendazole 10% = 100mg/mL(which is what i got) is the generic for Panacur dewormer. so 22.7x0.0005= 0.01135

Photos taken today

 

[Neon Aurora]

She doesn't look underweight.

Actually, the dose would be .0057 cc. The proper dosage for panacur is 25 mg/kg

dosage is calculated (weight)*(dosage) = .0227 kg * 25 mg/kg = 0.5675 mg

Then the concentration:
0.5675 mg * 1 ml/100 mg = 0.005675.

So you will need to dilute your solution. I would dilute it to 100 mg/20 ml, or 5 mg/ml. Take out one ml, add 19 ml of water.

Then your calculation would be:
.5675 mg * 1 ml/5 mg = 0.11 cc. So you will need a syringe that can measure 0.1 ml (or cc, since 1 cc = 1 ml), and then you could give an even 0.1 ml 1x per week.

**Please keep in mind, I am not a vet**

These calculations seem pretty right to me, but I am not a vet and I can't guarantee this will work. She could have parasites that panacur doesn't work on, or she could not have parasites at all.

Fenbendazole has a pretty high LD50 (>10 g/kg), so I don't see any harm in you doing this yourself since you can't go to the vet.