Is This Considered Muddying the "Waters"?

[RoflGecko]

For example breeding a normal het raptor x normal.

Which is creating poss het raptors... Is this something I should try to avoid? Or something that is ok to do as long as I label them properly, and the buyer knows what they're receiving?

Thanks for the input.

 

[acpart]

This should be fine, although since RAPTOR is a combination of a variety of traits, the outcomes from a possible het raptor would be complicated to predict, since the gecko could actually be het for some of the characteristics and not for others. However, as long as you label accurately, in my opinion, that's not your problem.

Aliza

 

[fl_orchidslave]

"Muddying the waters" refers to crossing lines of albinism- bells, trempers, rainwaters. A genetic mess. I'm suspicious of a normal het raptor, don't know that it's a possibility. It's a normal no matter how it's labeled.

 

[fuzzylogix]

a normal het raptor would have to be a normal het eclipse het patternless and het tremper, also known as a triple het. there are a multitude of combinations that could have produced that so the only way to be absolutely sure would be to test breed. a normal het raptor for one example could have been the offspring of a raptor and a murphy's patternless. if you are breeding to sell though, why not just pair the het up with a raptor or another het raptor?

 

[fl_orchidslave]

a normal het raptor would have to be a normal het eclipse het patternless and het tremper, also known as a triple het. there are a multitude of combinations that could have produced that so the only way to be absolutely sure would be to test breed. a normal het raptor for one example could have been the offspring of a raptor and a murphy's patternless. if you are breeding to sell though, why not just pair the het up with a raptor or another het raptor?

I think I just had a blond moment

 

[fuzzylogix]

it happens to us all

 

[ajveachster]

Just label accordingly. IMO it's the buyer's responsibility to understand what they are purchasing. It is the seller's responsibility to provide the most accurate information available so the buyer can make an informed decision. If you have it labeled correctly as a normal poss het raptor the buyer should be able to understand that they may have a normal with no hets, or a normal with any combination of the het traits that are put together to create a raptor.

 

[MiamiLeos]

a normal het raptor would have to be a normal het eclipse het patternless and het tremper, also known as a triple het. there are a multitude of combinations that could have produced that so the only way to be absolutely sure would be to test breed. a normal het raptor for one example could have been the offspring of a raptor and a murphy's patternless. if you are breeding to sell though, why not just pair the het up with a raptor or another het raptor?

Raptors are double het, not triple het. A Raptor is a Tremper Albino Eclipse. A Normal het Raptor is an animal that is het for Tremper Albinism and the Eclipse gene. The "P" in Raptor does not stand for Murphys "P"atternless, it stands for "P"atternless Stripe, as in the animal is displaying both the Stripe and Reverse Stripe patterns simultaneously, causing a "patternless" appearance. If you throw the Murphys Patternless into a Raptor the morph is called an Ember, a Tremper Albino Murphys Patternless Eclipse. Some refuse to call a Banded or Jungle Tremper Eclipse a Raptor, some have no qualms about it. But the main point is that there are only two recessive genes working in a Raptor. The "patternless" end of the deal is from selective line breeding, same as any Stripe morph

To answer the OP's original question, as long as you are labeling your offspring correctly and not crossing albino strains, you will be fine

 

[IslaReina]

Raptors are double het, not triple het. A Raptor is a Tremper Albino Eclipse. A Normal het Raptor is an animal that is het for Tremper Albinism and the Eclipse gene. The "P" in Raptor does not stand for Murphys "P"atternless, it stands for "P"atternless Stripe, as in the animal is displaying both the Stripe and Reverse Stripe patterns simultaneously, causing a "patternless" appearance. If you throw the Murphys Patternless into a Raptor the morph is called an Ember, a Tremper Albino Murphys Patternless Eclipse. Some refuse to call a Banded or Jungle Tremper Eclipse a Raptor, some have no qualms about it. But the main point is that there are only two recessive genes working in a Raptor. The "patternless" end of the deal is from selective line breeding, same as any Stripe morph

Thanks for clearing that up, I always wondered abut that! :main_thumbsup:

 

[MiamiLeos]

Thanks for clearing that up, I always wondered abut that! :main_thumbsup:

No prob, it's a really common misunderstanding