Juvi Cresties showing aggression!

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Yesterday night was live feeding time for all my cresties!
Word of reference ALWAYS WATCH YOUR GECKOS FEED!

So i have 5 juvis. 3 Of which were from the same clutch (Really lucky=]) These 3 were born Jan 10 2011 and are weighing in at about 7-7.2Grams each.
1 is born a Jan 23rd weighing in at 6.6Grams and the last one I've already kept seperate due to his mild aggression.

The 4 that i left in the tank are all very friendly, laying ontop of each other and basking in the lamps heat. They love each others company. The 5th one with a little bit of an attitude chose to iscolate himself and when others came around him he would nip and nudge them away.

The 4 that i house together in a 20Gallon Tall were fighting over the crickets. One would grab it up and the other gecko see's the crickets legs still kicking in the other ones mouth, so it knaps onto its face trying to get the cricket!
It was a brawl for the first 10 seconds, they all went absolutely nuts. I had to seperate them though.

I learnt a great lesson last night, Never feed all of them at the same time!!

From now on they are all being seperated for live feedings.

 

[Phil]

They should be seperated period. Not just for live feedings. Plus, what is ur room temp? If it's over 66f or so u don't need and u shouldn't use a heat lamp. Cresties do fine at room temp and keeping them over 80f can kill them.

Phil

 

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These cresteds were all clutch mates.
I've been told from plenty of breeders that cresteds can be housed together untill their sexable. These guys aren't even 10Grams yet. As long as the tank dimensions reach their needs.

All of my tanks have Digital-up-to-date therm/hydroms They are all reading 76-78 During the days and a 72 at night. Those are my isolated tanks kindof in a warmer area of the room. the rest use lighting and read the same.

Thx for your input.

 

[soccerdad]

These cresteds were all clutch mates.
I've been told from plenty of breeders that cresteds can be housed together untill their sexable. These guys aren't even 10Grams yet. As long as the tank dimensions reach their needs.

All of my tanks have Digital-up-to-date therm/hydroms They are all reading 76-78 During the days and a 72 at night. Those are my isolated tanks kindof in a warmer area of the room. the rest use lighting and read the same.

Thx for your input.

I would still personally lower the temperatures 78 is on the higher end of their comfortable limit ......
And I agree with Phil these guys are too big to be housed together .... with a Loupe theres a good chance of being able to sex them at those weights ...I seperated mine at less than 5 grams to prevent aggression...
Better to be safe than sorry if they can fight whilst feeding they can fight at any time :main_thumbsup:

 

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This here is a message sent from David Sheridan(General Manager) at Northern Gecko, Toronto Ontario

Start of message:

From: [email protected]
> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:37:37 +0000
>
> Hello Lee,
>
> Did you purchase one of the tail-less? They were all juvies. if you have another gecko the same size they can live together until they are sexable.
>
> So I'm guessing 4 months or so until you should separate them. You don't want a female to breed too early as it can cause health problems.

Hey Lee,
Extra heat won’t hurt babies and growing juvies, 78-with a basking spot on a perch of the low 80’s is fine.

They can cool down at night. When you turn the lights off. It’s the adults that are finicky with heat. They require nothing over 80 during the day.

I place my tanks in a position so that they receive indirect sunlight. Your geckos are getting a lot of UVA from the Sun Glow Bulbs. If they rest in the open then it’s beneficial to them.

There’s D3 in the diet and the calcium supplement for Crickets. You could down size to the 25 Watt bulb if you wanted to.

End of message.



--I'm not trying to give anyone any problems, i'm just going by what my local crested professional had advised me. These juvi's are just hitting 4 months now as of 3 days ago, maybe it's time to seperate them.

As for the heating, Ontario is being hit with a terrible thunderstorm for the next 5 days, humidity levels are bringing my house's temperatures up. Since the clarification from phill the lights have been off for the past 2 days now.
Sorry and thank you for that phil.

I've relocated some tanks so that they are recieving in-direct sunlight as david advised, and with the lights out all day i'm still reading 75.6F. I hope this is sufficient.

 

[soccerdad]

I would advise joining a rhac specific forum for better advice than my limited knowledge to be honest.... The advice will be no better than recieved by other members on here but being species specific you might get a quicker answer.. here is a care sheet from Pangea http://www.pangeareptile.com/store/crested-gecko-care-sheet-en.html
from the care sheet

Temperatures for crested geckos should be maintained between 72 and 80 degrees for most of the year. At temperatures of 85 degrees or warmer, crested geckos will become stressed, which could lead to illness or death. Cresteds can tolerate night time temperature drops down into the mid 60's but it is not necessary to provide this type of night time drop.

also from the repashy site http://www.forums.repashy.com/care-sheets/25853-rhacodactylus-ciliatus-crested-gecko.html?ltr=R their care sheet (written by Kyle Salzmann) .... if your room temps are over 70 degrees F there is no need to add any additional heat whatsoever in my opinion..... they are also nocturnal and there is no evidence to suggest they recieve any benefit from additional uv lights either

 

[M_surinamensis]

I would advise joining a rhac specific forum for better advice to be honest

Better advice than what exactly?

The bad advice he's choosing to follow isn't coming from this forum. It's coming from a guy he's emailing. So far he's really only gotten some very preliminary comments from users here, nothing resembling detailed and specific advice. It's not as if the post has been unanswered for a week or as if bad information has been put here by anyone except the thread starter himself. So it's a bit... irksome... to see you suggesting some other forum will provide "better advice" than the one you're currently on. Given the quality and scope of the experience and knowledge a few notable members of these boards have with Rhacs, there really is no "better advice" to be had, should they choose to participate. Just equally good advice, saying the same things they would.

Not that I'm about to touch this one. The guy's already shown that he doesn't give a damn about what's right or wrong, he's choosing to give credence to whatever information is most convenient for him. The "it's credible because it's what I was going to do anyway" mentality he's shown makes my palms itch. Still, if they feel like tackling his severe attitude problem (which he'll bring with him to any forum he uses), there are people here who's advice would be the best possible.

 

[soccerdad]

Better advice than what exactly?

The bad advice he's choosing to follow isn't coming from this forum. It's coming from a guy he's emailing. So far he's really only gotten some very preliminary comments from users here, nothing resembling detailed and specific advice. It's not as if the post has been unanswered for a week or as if bad information has been put here by anyone except the thread starter himself. So it's a bit... irksome... to see you suggesting some other forum will provide "better advice" than the one you're currently on. Given the quality and scope of the experience and knowledge a few notable members of these boards have with Rhacs, there really is no "better advice" to be had, should they choose to participate. Just equally good advice, saying the same things they would.

Not that I'm about to touch this one. The guy's already shown that he doesn't give a damn about what's right or wrong, he's choosing to give credence to whatever information is most convenient for him. The "it's credible because it's what I was going to do anyway" mentality he's shown makes my palms itch. Still, if they feel like tackling his severe attitude problem (which he'll bring with him to any forum he uses), there are people here who's advice would be the best possible.

I didnt mean this forum I should have made myself clearer I apologise I meant the advice he was given from the seller was bad ... I suggested a species specific forum for more specialized advice above what I already know ...

 

[soccerdad]

I have edited my post to be more clear

 

[tlbowling]

Northern Gecko is a well known breeder of quality cresteds, but that doesnt mean that their advice is the holy grail. They do what works for them. But you will notice that a lot of breeders that keep their crested juvies together all have nipped or missing tails. So you can either choose to take their advice or take ours

 

[touch 13]

Better advice than what exactly?

The bad advice he's choosing to follow isn't coming from this forum. It's coming from a guy he's emailing. So far he's really only gotten some very preliminary comments from users here, nothing resembling detailed and specific advice. It's not as if the post has been unanswered for a week or as if bad information has been put here by anyone except the thread starter himself. So it's a bit... irksome... to see you suggesting some other forum will provide "better advice" than the one you're currently on. Given the quality and scope of the experience and knowledge a few notable members of these boards have with Rhacs, there really is no "better advice" to be had, should they choose to participate. Just equally good advice, saying the same things they would.

Not that I'm about to touch this one. The guy's already shown that he doesn't give a damn about what's right or wrong, he's choosing to give credence to whatever information is most convenient for him. The "it's credible because it's what I was going to do anyway" mentality he's shown makes my palms itch. Still, if they feel like tackling his severe attitude problem (which he'll bring with him to any forum he uses), there are people here who's advice would be the best possible.

I don't understand how you can say i don't give a damn whats right or wrong and feel like i don't and shouldn't have to defend myself but. I came on the forum posting a thread because i thought it could lead up to a problem. Before it even had become a problem or in the future reference i asked questions. Phill and soccerdad had answered my questions..
That day they were seperated and now not only live feedings but temp readings are all working perfectly.
Why the criticism? I clearly apologized earlier in the thread for being a little ignorant, but as stated, i was following someone Else's care sheets, when obviously my cresteds aren't in the same conditions as his.

The E-mails regarding the heat lamps was when it was -17C outside.

Again sorry, and everyone's earlier posts were appreciated and changes were made.

Thanks

 

[tlbowling]

Good to hear

Majority Rules

 

[touch 13]

Lol! A little stubborn at times, but always open to new ideas and further knowledge.

Thanks Tara.