Morph ID

[gunner_max]

Please, help me with morph ID

 

[Taquiq]

What were the parents? It looks like some sort of RAPTOR but the ID of the parents would really help.

 

[gunner_max]

Male Tang TA poss het Raptor


Female Enigma TA

 

[Northstar Herp]

Looks like they're both het. for eclispe and that's a RAPTOR to me.

 

[gunner_max]

Thanks.
Sorry for my English.
He hatched this morning. It is very difficult to photograph his eyes. His eyes kept closing. I can not say with certainty that he had red eyes. But it is very similar to that.
I am confused by the fact that these same parents have been very different babies
This sometimes happens?

 

[Northstar Herp]

You know, now that I look closer, I kinda think I see a pupil in that babies eye...

Maybe there's no eclipse involved, but def. tremper, and the other two look like enigmas but the one in this thread doesn't. Maybe that's the difference. I'm still pretty new at this myself, so don't just take my word for it. Someone else will chime in eventually that knows more.

 

[gunner_max]

pakinjak, thank you
Wait, I want to hear another point of view of visitors to this good forum

I have some knowledge of the keeping and breeding of eublepharis macularius and pogona vitticeps, but in genetics and morphs I understand a lot worse.

 

[Northstar Herp]

I think with that pairing you should get 50% enigmas, all tremper albinos, and unless the female is het for eclipse, no visible eclipses.

 

[gunner_max]

But of all three kids no one is classic Tremper Albino or I'm wrong? Until I got 2 Enigmas TA (Sunglow Enigma TA?) and this incomprehensible baby. Correctly?

 

[Northstar Herp]

No, none of them are "classic" trempers but all look to be tremper albino. The enigma gene can make the pattern funky on the other two so you don't see normal banding. Maybe the latest one would be an APTOR, a RAPTOR without the ruby eyes, and it's got kindof a jungle pattern to it.

Their not JUST tremper albinos...

 

[gunner_max]

pakinjak, once again I want to thank you
I have to wait until this little leo will become an adult color.

 

[Northstar Herp]

Oh yah, please update this with pictures as they grow, ok? I'd love to see what they turn into.

 

[gunner_max]

I'll try to do it. I like this forum and its level of professionalism.
In our country the number of different morphs yet little.

 

[gunner_max]

pakinjak, what is your opinion how to properly called morph of the first two babies?
Enigma TA? Sunglow Enigma TA? or as something different? Please.

 

[Northstar Herp]

I think a tang is a line bred trait, tremper is recessive but both parents are homozygous for it, so all babies should be tremper. Enigma works as a dominant trait, and assuming your enigma is a 1 copy enigma, 50% should be enigma.

But the first two are tremper enigmas and the one at the top of this thread is a tremper, not enigma. Who knows if your male is het for eclipse or not, you won't know until you breed him to a visible or 100% het. eclipse.

I don't know about sunglow, if I had to guess, I might say no. I'll leave that for someone else to speak about the exact requirements it takes to make one... and I would wait to see what it turns into as it grows.

 

[gunner_max]

Thanks, pakinjak!