Morph IDs + Possible Hatchlings?

[Scales And Whiskers]

EDIT: I resized the pics in photobucket so I have no idea why they are so huge. I'm sorry!

Hey! I'm new to the forum and a little to geckos. My boyfriend and I plan to breed eventually, but not without all the precautions taken first. We prefer to be fully prepared.
Anyway, our first was a male we got a couple months ago. His name is Isaac:

We think he's a Sunglow,

And we got our female a week ago. Not sure how old she is - she's a petstore buy, so I'm also not sure what she looked like as a hatchling.

Her name is Lola,

Also, since they would be our first pairing and we're not yet intent on breeding particular morphs, what could the hatchlings be like? I've never seen lavender bands on a true, bright tangerine - could that happen? I'm a huge newb too genetics and morphs... obviously :main_laugh:

 

[katie_]

The babies would be normals I believe.

 

[jbs81890]

Second one looks like a Mack snow to me And first I think is shtctb

 

[Scales And Whiskers]

Second one looks like a Mack snow to me And first I think is shtctb

What does the "B" stand for? I read it as "sunglow hypo tang carrot tail 'b'", which is probably wrong hehe.
And yeah, everyone says she's either Mack or Norm. Wish they gave out hatchling pics with them :/ .

Edit: is SHTCTB super hypo tang carrot tail baldy? Just trying to see if I'm right by poking around some guides.

 

[TranceZ]

What does the "B" stand for? I read it as "sunglow hypo tang carrot tail 'b'", which is probably wrong hehe.
And yeah, everyone says she's either Mack or Norm. Is there a major difference?

Edit: is SHTCTB super hypo tang carrot tail baldy? Just trying to see if I'm right by poking around some guides.

baldy.

If you bred those you'd get some normals some hypos considering normal unknown HETs for the normal

 

[reptiles1]

the male is a super hypo tangerine carrot tail baldy. the girl looks to be normal but is posibly a mack snow. the babies (if the girl is a normal) will be some normal and some hypo and super hypos. if the girl is a mack snow the babies will be hypo super hypos and mack snow hypos (very cool)

 

[Scales And Whiskers]

mack snow hypos (very cool)

:main_laugh: oooh, yes please!
I'd be happy regardless, but ooooh! OOOOOH!!

 

[LeopardShade]

The first one is definitely not a Sunglow, I concur with everyone else - looks like a SHTCTB, with quite an impressive carrot tail and bald head. Sunglows are a combination of the Albino gene and the SHTCTB gene and exhibit albino eyes, whereas SHTCTBs do not. Second looks like a Normal or possibly a Mack.

They both are good looking, attractive geckos, but it is of my opinion that if you are dealing with pet-store-bought geckos (like the second one), they should not be bred. Since most pet stores don't disclose the full genetic information of the geckos they sell, you really will have no idea what you'll get if you breed them. For example, you may end up with some surprises in the offspring due to an unknown het in one of the parents. Geckos with unknown genetics don't sell well, because no one wants to breed animals with mystery genetics.

I'm glad you want to fully prepare before you breed, so many people jump in quickly and rashly, without doing any research. If you want to become serious, though, you should invest in some animals from breeders, with the full genetic info disclosed.

 

[Scales And Whiskers]

I'm glad you want to fully prepare before you breed, so many people jump in quickly and rashly, without doing any research. If you want to become serious, though, you should invest in some animals from breeders, with the full genetic info disclosed.

We have jumped the gun and allowed them to mate, but we are keeping them separate. We know we can handle one pairing and their clutches, but I didn't know about the genetics and petstores thing - I should have figured, but I digress. I wish I'd thought of that before we let them have at it I don't feel a sense of dread yet, though. Isaac's siblings were sold with him at a Big Al's, so I'm more confident in him than Lola, who was the only juvi at an Oliver's and no one seems to be able to decide if she's a normal or a mack either. Hoping she is a mack project reject and they didn't have room for her elsewhere, but one facepalm for noobery nonetheless.

Unless everything goes absolutely perfect and everyone's fat-tailed and happy, Lola will probably remain a pet after this. Isaac will be our resident male for a while if we can go back to Big Al's and track who bred him and his brothers.

 

[RampantReptiles]

Both geckos look too thin to breed.
Breeders need to be well fed and conditioned for breeding. Breeding females especially as laying eggs takes A LOT out of them. A breeding female should be a minimum of 50 grams. I highly recommend 55-60+ grams to be on the safe side.
Now go ahead and face palm... at least a couple times

Edit: Oh! and I also forgot to mention quarantine. An absolute MINIMUM of 30 days, with 90 days being the appropriate amount. You should be washing your hands between touching anything in a quarantined animals enclosure and another animal and their enclosure.
So yeah awesome job with quarantine as well... another face palm.

 

[RampantReptiles]

There ya go

This one too: http://breaaire.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/third-party-facepalm.jpg

 

[GeckoCrossing]

That picture made me laugh out loud Michelle. Good thing I hadn't sipped my coffee yet!

 

[Scales And Whiskers]

Both geckos look too thin to breed.
Breeders need to be well fed and conditioned for breeding. Breeding females especially as laying eggs takes A LOT out of them.

I keep putting food in until she stops eating it for the day. She's packing in the food like a champ, and even when she isn't interested in crickets anymore I keep a bowl of dusted worms that she clears out by morning. You're right as well - she's 42 grams atm. They mated 2 days ago, and she was ovulating - will she pack on the grams by laying time? Calcium is in for the first time today too.

There was more face-to-the-keyboarding. I always wash my hands, the moment I mentioned we were getting reptiles my mother had a great tangent about diseases. I keep putting sanitizer on my grocery list but I forget every time :main_thumbsdown:

Looks like I'll be wearing a nun costume for a couple of months - running around and doting on my gravid lady. Hope she doesn't mind all the weighing spoon/tweezer feeding (her viv doesn't have a top so I'm worried the crickets will jump out/her 'furniture' is all very low so she has nothing to climb or jump off of to get out).

 

[Scales And Whiskers]

There ya go

This one too: http://breaaire.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/third-party-facepalm.jpg

Perfect, cause there actually is two of us!! :main_laugh: ... :main_no:

 

[katie_]

Didn't the Oakville store close?

 

[Scales And Whiskers]

Didn't the Oakville store close?

Yup, hoping I can track down the owners still. If I can't, we'll "retire" both as pets and head for specific breeders/expos if we decide we want to really get into breeding.

Edit:
Bloody hell, they're owned corporately! I'm up for a little phone tag when I find the number. If not... actually I'm waltzing into Oliver's today, I'll ask about Lola and if they know where the Big Al's got theirs from.

 

[RampantReptiles]

I keep putting food in until she stops eating it for the day. She's packing in the food like a champ, and even when she isn't interested in crickets anymore I keep a bowl of dusted worms that she clears out by morning. You're right as well - she's 42 grams atm. They mated 2 days ago, and she was ovulating - will she pack on the grams by laying time? Calcium is in for the first time today too.

She could lay eggs anywhere from 2-6 weeks from now so it is impossible to say. Also many times females go off food while laying and may or may not eat just after laying.
Not only is dystocia (egg binding) a possibility but the possibility of MBD and vitamin deficiencies due to her using all her resource to produce eggs and not for her own metabolism. Definitely keep calcium with D3 in her enclosure in a small dish at all times and dust her food with a good calcium & vitamin supplement.

Just because a female is ovulating does not mean she can be safely bred. Right now I have a female who is 30-35 grams, not full grown, started ovulating at 6 months of age and barely eats at all. I am hoping that once she stops ovulating (has been ovulating for about 3 months) that she will start eating again and grow some more but it is possible she will never reach adult size. Breeding her would likely kill her.

There was more face-to-the-keyboarding. I always wash my hands, the moment I mentioned we were getting reptiles my mother had a great tangent about diseases. I keep putting sanitizer on my grocery list but I forget every time :main_thumbsdown:

That is good except ya bred a female that is too small, who should not have been bred since she was in quarantine and should not have had any interactions with another gecko, who will now be in a stressful situation therefore reducing her immune system and possibly bring on infections.

I usually refer people to this quarantine sheet (one of these days I will write up my own): http://geckosetc.com/health.html

This also has some eye opening, educational stuff in it about leopard gecko illness: http://www.thegeckospot.net/leohealth.php

I would start looking and saving up now in case you need to see a qualified reptile vet. I am sorry to be so harsh but it is the reality of the situation and you should be prepared for the consequences.

 

[TranceZ]

Yup, hoping I can track down the owners still. If I can't, we'll "retire" both as pets and head for specific breeders/expos if we decide we want to really get into breeding.

Edit:
Bloody hell, they're owned corporately! I'm up for a little phone tag when I find the number. If not... actually I'm waltzing into Oliver's today, I'll ask about Lola and if they know where the Big Al's got theirs from.

I thought you said in a incubator thread that you were going to wait until next year to breed so you can get some research in and be well prepared:main_huh:???