my afganicus...

[marula]

..."alpha" and "beta" :main_yes:

 

[MSMD]

They're awesome, Marula! Great names, too! :main_yes:

 

[shadowx362]

really cool.

 

[bro paul]

Very pretty Marula! And dark ....

 

[sushikam]

Very cool! I like Alpha's (or is it Beta's...the first ones!) head design :main_yes:!

 

[miamimike]

Those are interesting little dudes Marula!....good luck with that awesome project!...

 

[david13]

sweet

 

[dprince]

Those guys are so cute!!!!!! Congrats Marula!! :main_thumbsup:

 

[Bodon]

Cool little guys, and great names!

 

[marula]

thanks guys
i'm very proud of them..they have something of "exotic"..i don't know why..but i really like them..
i will take some others and the darker one will be breed with one enigma
still searching some afganicus F1 with different pattern,..hopeto have more success in summer..

 

[paulnj]

I have been fascinated with the afganicus and those are some great looking ones you have there.

 

[PacHerp]

SWEEEET! Those are looking fantastic!

 

[eyelids]

They are stupendous!

 

[Stevie]

Mmm, according to literature (Seufer et al., 2005), E.m.afghanicus doesn't posses four brown/black horizontal bands on the back. The (beautiful) animals on your pictures both show not three but four bands.... Where did you buy the animals? And what makes you think that it is indeed E.m.afghanicus? And why would you (deliberately) cross E.m.macularius (enigma) and E.m.afghanicus? If you want to create dark enigmas, just use a melanistic E.m.macularius and keep the (sub)species pure blooded.... Or is that just me?

Greets,

Stevie

 

[marula]

hi stevie
they are F1 from roman that have WC classificated like afganicus
there are MANY concerns in WC import classification, i know that, but do you think that anybody can be sure to have pure afganicus F1 from a wc afganicus pair?
do you really thing that is possible be sure that wc animals are not "contaminate" each others? ..i'm not sure that animals in wild are so "pure" ..
in any case..
those are F1 from wc pair that was classificated like afagnicus..
if there are some other tipe behind them and for this reason babies from this pair look not "perfect" is unknow
i whant cross one of them with one enigma because i whant outcross COMPLITLY my enigma for try to go in outcross more is possible with this morph, i'm not interested to have a dark enigma (and i'm not so stupid to try to do that with a strong outcross...expecially for a line breed project..)...
...this is not a scientific study ..is not what i try to do...
i will breed the others with others "afganicus" just for the pleasure to mantein a tipe (if is possible for a simple gecko love do that)

i haven't read this studies that you has report, but many others (previous than this, the seufer & kirschner eyelash geckos edition) report that macularius re really closer with afganicus and the number of the bands is not a sure way for a good classification. there are many "older" studies regarding macularius that has entered in afghanistan and leopard geckos was found near kabul too...macularius are a really variable specie (scale, pattern, colouration) and the tree brown orrizontal bands can occour in them (macularius) like in afganicus...
i don0t whant sound rude, but i0m not a scietist and i never has try to trash the work of anybody..
just n opinion of a gecko passionate

 

[Stevie]

Ok, clear to me. I was just wondering what makes you think they are afghanicus, because the difference is very hard to see. I wasn't planning to attack you or anything, don't get me wrong! I know the "band-counting-method" isn't perfect (as I stated earlier), that's why I was wondering... There should be another method to determine which subspecies an animal is(like DNA-sequencing), but those kind of things are not easy to do for 'the little man'. ;-)

Greets,

Stevie

 

[ARgeckos]

Very cool little geckos:main_thumbsup:

 

[marula]

hi stevie
i hasn't feel to be "attached"...just an explanation due to some bad experience with some studious (seams that is a privilege have the possibility to read articles and studies regarding (sub)specie of eublepharis...but seams to be really simple be attacked by them )
thanks to eveybody to the nice comments!

 

[Dragoon Gecko]

Very cute ones Marula!

They look very similar to my afghanicus male :main_thumbsup: ..

/Rebecca

 

[fallen_angel]

Very cool names and awesome little ones!