my first leo, what morph?

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i picked up my first leo ever today from the store, however the seller was not 100% sure what type of morph it is, can anyone hazard a guess?

Also roughly how old would you think it is from the pictures, about 6 weeks is what the seller thought?




I know people will moan about my substrate, however the seller has been breeding thousands of lizards for many years and said he has yet to lose a lizard due to impaction from wood chips, he said they always spit the chips out, he did mention though that he has lost many lizards from impaction when using sand and so I will avoid that ofc.
 
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Not sure on the morph looks like a nice normal. Its nice to have bedding but people don't put babies on substrate so you can't think everyone is doing it for no reason. Its way easier to clean and its also make it easier for you leo to hunt its food. If you really want the bedding keep it but don't post pictures because everyone will be mad!!! lol I got over having bedding in about a week. I use paper towels and they work great way easier to clean.
 
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so cute i love it already! although its not eating any of it's crickets yet even when i put him in a bag with them for a few mins lol
 
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He won't eat right away, it'll take him a few days to settle in because he's probably stressed from the move. :) But he/she's a cutie.
 
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M_surinamensis said:
Why did you put your leopard gecko in a plastic bag with crickets?
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i put him in there for 5 mins in the hope that if he had crickets running around his head he might eat one.

it was for 5 mins then i put him back in his terrarium, i didnt close the bag, it was totally open and i sat there and watched him.
 
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elliotuk said:
i put him in there for 5 mins in the hope that if he had crickets running around his head he might eat one.

it was for 5 mins then i put him back in his terrarium, i didnt close the bag, it was totally open and i sat there and watched him.
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New gecko. Not eating the... day (day after?) you got him. New environment, moved around from a retail place... so your idea is to stick him in a plastic bag with insects. A plastic bag. This is what you thought was a good solution.

Return the gecko. Return the enclosure you are housing the gecko in. The guy you got it from has fed you a line of seriously sketchy nonsense anyway, but you haven't got the kind of filter required to tune that out. Return the gecko. Buy a couple books with the store credit. Stop asking questions and then ignoring the answers and doing whatever damn fool thing pops into your head instead. You don't get to pick and choose responses based on whatever you were going to do anyway. It doesn't work like that.

If you keep going the direction you're headed, you're going to fail at keeping that lizard healthy and alive. It'll die, because you didn't take the time or make the effort to learn basic care information before you bought it.
 
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M_surinamensis said:
New gecko. Not eating the... day (day after?) you got him. New environment, moved around from a retail place... so your idea is to stick him in a plastic bag with insects. A plastic bag. This is what you thought was a good solution.

Return the gecko. Return the enclosure you are housing the gecko in. The guy you got it from has fed you a line of seriously sketchy nonsense anyway, but you haven't got the kind of filter required to tune that out. Return the gecko. Buy a couple books with the store credit. Stop asking questions and then ignoring the answers and doing whatever damn fool thing pops into your head instead. You don't get to pick and choose responses based on whatever you were going to do anyway. It doesn't work like that.

If you keep going the direction you're headed, you're going to fail at keeping that lizard healthy and alive. It'll die, because you didn't take the time or make the effort to learn basic care information before you bought it.
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+1 I agree. Take him back. Find out what kind of setup to provide. All the germs from that bag is bad. Always sanitize anything you introduce a reptile to. You could lick the bag and be fine, reptiles not so much. They are from a different branch on the animal family tree.
 
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Thorgecko707 said:
I have a question for OP. If the breeder has been hatching thousands of babies for many years, why can't he tell the different morphs? Just curious.
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he actually said "probably a normal, but possibly a hint of mack snow" same as you guys, but wanted a 2nd opionion. He mainly breeds dragons though not so much geckos.
 
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M_surinamensis said:
New gecko. Not eating the... day (day after?) you got him. New environment, moved around from a retail place... so your idea is to stick him in a plastic bag with insects. A plastic bag. This is what you thought was a good solution.

Return the gecko. Return the enclosure you are housing the gecko in. The guy you got it from has fed you a line of seriously sketchy nonsense anyway, but you haven't got the kind of filter required to tune that out. Return the gecko. Buy a couple books with the store credit. Stop asking questions and then ignoring the answers and doing whatever damn fool thing pops into your head instead. You don't get to pick and choose responses based on whatever you were going to do anyway. It doesn't work like that.

If you keep going the direction you're headed, you're going to fail at keeping that lizard healthy and alive. It'll die, because you didn't take the time or make the effort to learn basic care information before you bought it.
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I have not ignored everyone's advice, only the advice to change the substrate.....just that. And the reason for that is that I have now heard from 2 breeders that they have never lost a gecko to impaction from wood chips, but they have many times from using very fine substrate like sand. There is no reason for them to lie about this.

youve got a seriously poor attitude, theres people like you in every forum regarding every subject around the net. I came here to get the advice of people who know what they are doing, however not everyone in a forum does. Forums are filled with 15 yr old kids who have had a gecko for a year and think they are experts, i suspect you could be one.

When people seek advice they will always get conflicting answers from different people and therefore have to choose what makes most sense to them. I would rather listen to someone i know has been breeding reptiles for 20 years than a random guy with a poor "listen to me or get lost" attitude in a forum.

i have put a lot more time in to researching how to look after my gecko that most gecko owners, most people who have a gecko will just bring it home from the shop and probably not even look online or anything to research gecko care, and simply listen to what their pet shop owner told them. The fact that I have been reading the care sheets and asking questions in this forum means that I am trying to get as much advice and varying views as possible and that i have the willingness to learn how to look after my gecko. This doesnt mean I have to take everything that is said to me in a forum as gospel, especially when it comes from someone with your kind of attitude.

Thankyou to everyone else for you advice so far. I will be removing the rear legs of a couple of crickets tonight and leaving them in his feeding bowl so they cant jump out and hopefully in the morn he will have found them.
 
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elliotuk said:
I have not ignored everyone's advice, only the advice to change the substrate.....just that. And the reason for that is that I have now heard from 2 breeders that they have never lost a gecko to impaction from wood chips, but they have many times from using very fine substrate like sand. There is no reason for them to lie about this.

youve got a seriously poor attitude, theres people like you in every forum regarding every subject around the net. I came here to get the advice of people who know what they are doing, however not everyone in a forum does. Forums are filled with 15 yr old kids who have had a gecko for a year and think they are experts, i suspect you could be one.

When people seek advice they will always get conflicting answers from different people and therefore have to choose what makes most sense to them. I would rather listen to someone i know has been breeding reptiles for 20 years than a random guy with a poor "listen to me or get lost" attitude in a forum.

i have put a lot more time in to researching how to look after my gecko that most gecko owners, most people who have a gecko will just bring it home from the shop and probably not even look online or anything to research gecko care, and simply listen to what their pet shop owner told them. The fact that I have been reading the care sheets and asking questions in this forum means that I am trying to get as much advice and varying views as possible and that i have the willingness to learn how to look after my gecko. This doesnt mean I have to take everything that is said to me in a forum as gospel, especially when it comes from someone with your kind of attitude.

Thankyou to everyone else for you advice so far. I will be removing the rear legs of a couple of crickets tonight and leaving them in his feeding bowl so they cant jump out and hopefully in the morn he will have found them.
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The problem with the internet is sometimes your not getting proper info.With all due respect you even admitted he doesnt deal with leopard geckos.Putting leopard geckos on wood chips is not the way to go_On this forum you have access to people who have raised leos as a small hobby breeder like my self and you have big breeders on this site.You are listening to a person who is not an expert on leos.If you choose to hang around this forum you will get to know the people who really know what they are talking about.If a lot of people on this forum are telling you the same things then you can bet you are getting the right info.Some people on this forum me included get frustated when a new comer asks us for info and disregards our advice or debates us.If you are not willing to follow the general concensus than donts ask us for advice.If you are willing to learn and be teachable we are more than willing to answer ALL your questions
 
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roger said:
The problem with the internet is sometimes your not getting proper info.With all due respect you even admitted he doesnt deal with leopard geckos.Putting leopard geckos on wood chips is not the way to go_On this forum you have access to people who have raised leos as a small hobby breeder like my self and you have big breeders on this site.You are listening to a person who is not an expert on leos.If you choose to hang around this forum you will get to know the people who really know what they are talking about.If a lot of people on this forum are telling you the same things then you can bet you are getting the right info.Some people on this forum me included get frustated when a new comer asks us for info and disregards our advice or debates us.If you are not willing to follow the general concensus than donts ask us for advice.If you are willing to learn and be teachable we are more than willing to answer ALL your questions
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thanks for info and saying it in a polite and adult manner, this is the way to talk when you want people to listen to you and hopefully one or two others will learn from this and follow your example.
 
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Despite what you may think, M_surinamensis is actually really knowledgeable about reptiles/amphibians. He just has a unique way with words as I'm sure you will find the longer you are with the forum. As far as the wood chips, not a very good choice of substrate like all loose substrates due to the threat of impatation. You may not see them actually ingesting it, but it does happen. There are several different threads about it if you use the search option at the top of the page. A different alternative that you can use other than papertowel if you don't like the look of it is tile that is cut to fit the bottom of the tank, vinyl tiling, reptile carpeting. Using these will eliminate the risk of impactation. Tile you can get pretty cheap and have cut to fit at a hardware store at Lowe's or Home Depot. Looks pretty nice and holds heat from UTH's really well too. So there's a lot of options you can work with. Plus all of these get dirty you take them ut and wipe them down, reptile carpets you throw in the washer and wash on cold with no detergant and air dry. It's you pet, you do what you want, but I'm just throwing some suggestions out there that may be beneficial that will help keep your little one around maybe a little longer.
 
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Adinar said:
Despite what you may think, M_surinamensis is actually really knowledgeable about reptiles/amphibians. He just has a unique way with words as I'm sure you will find the longer you are with the forum. As far as the wood chips, not a very good choice of substrate like all loose substrates due to the threat of impatation. You may not see them actually ingesting it, but it does happen. There are several different threads about it if you use the search option at the top of the page. A different alternative that you can use other than papertowel if you don't like the look of it is tile that is cut to fit the bottom of the tank, vinyl tiling, reptile carpeting. Using these will eliminate the risk of impactation. Tile you can get pretty cheap and have cut to fit at a hardware store at Lowe's or Home Depot. Looks pretty nice and holds heat from UTH's really well too. So there's a lot of options you can work with. Plus all of these get dirty you take them ut and wipe them down, reptile carpets you throw in the washer and wash on cold with no detergant and air dry. It's you pet, you do what you want, but I'm just throwing some suggestions out there that may be beneficial that will help keep your little one around maybe a little longer.
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i have ditched the wood chips now, hes not eating and the fact that the crickets are hiding under the wood chips anyway doesnt help.

For not i have simply used some paper towels, however i bought an off-cut of some rubber lino today normally used for kitchen floors (see pic), would that work ok? or does it contain nasty chemicals? and if not then you think ceramic tiles are ok? How about a plain square of plywood?

cheers

 
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