Need advice: nursing recovering Leo!

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About your leo:
- Sex: Female (Cici)
- Age & Weight: about a year-year and a half, and not currently sure on the weight, but definitely underweight
- How long have you owned your leo: about a year
- Where was he/she obtained (ex. Pet store, breeder, wild caught, friend): local pet store

A)+Health/History
- How often do you handle your leo: before she got sick almost never (she was a moody little girl) but after I'd say pretty much daily.
- Is your leo acting any different today? If so how does he/she normally act which differs from now.: This is very difficult to answer as nothing has been normal for the past few weeks.
- Has he/she had any problems in the past, if so please describe.: she had parasites, I took her to the vet about 3 weeks ago and got her on medication. Vet said she was so sick that her chances of survival were very slim, even with medication. The meds ended about a week ago, and she's gotten a little better, she is able to move but not yet stand up.
B)+Fecals
- Describe (look any different than normal): last I saw they looked slightly loose.
- When was the last time he/she went: It has been quite a while.
C)+Problem
- Please briefly describe the problem and how long it has been going on:
She's very malnourished and I am trying to nurse her back to health; however, I am having a very difficult time getting her to drink water so I am concerned about dehydration. She also has what the vet assumed to be bone or calcium buildup on her legs. Her front right foot is so bad she can't bend it, and I wanted to know if there was a possibility of this breaking down eventually, allowing Cici to move her foot again. (Pictures attached)
Housing:
A)+Enclosure
- Size: 10gal long
- Type: glass tank
- Type of substrate: paper towel
- Hides, how many, what kind: because she can't really move, I just have her favourite log in there.
B)+Heating
- Heat source: day/night lamps
- Cage temps (hot side, cool side): because she cannot move, I measure the temp right where she's at. I try to keep that around 75-80°
- Method of regulating heat source: dimmers on heat lamps
- What are you using to measure your temps: electronic thermometer with a probe for location based measurement
- Do you have any lights (describe): I am pretty sure they are 75w day and night bulbs
C)+Cage mates
- How many (males, females): none. She typically lives with a male, but she is isolated until better.
- Describe health, or previous problems

Describe Diet:
A)+Typical diet
- What you're feeding (how often, how much): up until about a week ago she was gently force fed(only way she would eat anything) blended crickets and mealworms. A week ago she started eating mealworms, I give her about 8 daily (4in the morning and 4 at night)
- How are you feeding (hand fed, left in dish, ect): hand fed
B)+Supplements+(describe how often)
- What vitamin/minerals are you using (list brands): every once in a while I dust the mealworms with Repashy superfoods Calcium Plus vitamin and calcium supplement. When I was blending food, I added a little bit every time.
- What are you gut loading food with: flukers Orange cubes

Also, what would you suggest for feeding? Should I continue with mealworms, or should I try to find silkworms? She can't attack her food; I have to hold her in one hand and the food in the other, then she will bite and eat it, so I don't know if she will be able to eat silkworms. Any other advice on nursing her back to health would be greatly appreciated! I'm determined that Cici is a survivour and I can bring her back from this.

P.S. this is my first post... How does one attach photos?
 

acpart

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welcome to GF. Two ways to attach photos: click on "reply to thread" and you should get a box that allows you to "manage attachments" where you can upload a photo from your computer. Another choice is to get an online photo spot like photobucket and put your photos there. Then you copy the link to to photo you want to post and paste it into your message.

It sounds like an improvement if she's now eating whole mealworms, even though you have to hand them to her. I've had geckos that needed to be fed like that for years. I don't know enough to comment on her legs. I do know that generally the preferred method of heating is with an under tank heater which should keep the floor of the enclosure in the low 90's and the air temp shouldn't be much above the mid 70's. There are some indications that too hot an air temp can cause dehydration of eyelids (Eyelid Dysecdysis in Leopard Geckos - Gecko Time - Gecko Time). Good luck with her.

Aliza
 

crazylizardlady

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I second the undertank heater at 90 that should help with digestion and hopefully make her more willing to eat :) Because they are nocturnal the lights can also throw them off and stress them out so maybe try that. I would stick wtih meal worms for now since she cant really move around. I gutload mine with organic veggies usually carrots its cheaper than the cubes. Also if you are using repashy I would start dusting with calcium and D3 daily and twice a week with a multivitamin. Good luck with her
 

Neon Aurora

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I agree on the UTH instead of lights.

I mostly came to comment on the legs. Does it look like this?
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I had a gecko who had this and it turned out to be gout. Did your vet give you any medications to help break down whatever it is that has built up? Typically the build up is uric acid, but could be calcium. I was giving my gecko a medication to break down uric acid, but it didn't work.
 
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crazylizardlady

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Also, my concern with using a uth with her is that if she gets too hot, she wont be able to move off of it.

A thermostat will keep it at the right temperature for her, I got mine off amazon for less than $20. Just make sure to get the one with the prob on it and position the prob on the floor where your leo would be laying. I cant help much with the leg problem. She is quite thin but not so much so that she cant come back from it. Good luck with her and keep us updated please
 
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Update: I am still having no luck getting her to drink water. Also, she still hasn't pooped(I believe it has been at least a week. I'm concerned about impaction) and has lost interest in eating (she will lick the mealworms but not eat them.) I tried a warm water soak today, and I am currently considering driving into town to buy pedialyte and baby food (looking forward to those judgmental looks from people who assume I'm a teen mom :D ) and I've also heard that olive oil can work as a laxative, should I try these and if they don't work after the weekend call the vet? Or should I just take her to the vet today? I am very worried about her :( we've come so far from where she was when I took her to the animal emergency room that I couldn't bear to lose her now. (Not that I ever could, of course)

Also, thank you all for your feedback so far, it is very comforting to have advice from fellow owners ^.^ I am going to go buy an under tank heater when I take her to the vet (be it today or Monday) so hopefully that will help her as well
 

discoverlight

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I used an olive oil/bath daily treatment for a girl that came in on coconut husks
She pooped a real big duke, it smelt quite awful with the olive oil but it worked! She got everything out

Also used it for a girl that was housed on sand, she had parasites at the same time though so she just pooped sandy diarrhea, but it still worked

If it gets critical, i suggest a vet but if she finally poops and starts eating I dont think it'll be an emergency. Just keep an eye on her
 
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At what point would you consider it critical? I'm just extremely on edge because she was already not well before, and I want her to be able to focus her energy on recovering and not have to worry about anything else. Once she gets out of the "red-zone" and has more energy, I'll feel better. But right now I'm like a first time parent who's kid has a cold :p
 

discoverlight

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I would say small tail is critical. Have you considered she might have parasites? If she poops and it is diarrhea then i suggest looking into possible parasites/worms... but she has to poop first :p

My gecko had pinworms so bad that you could see them with the naked eye! 2 doses of dewormer and she was eating like a beast.
 
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She had parasites before, she's currently recovering from them. Also, the vet was a reptile specialist (had to drive her an hour and a half to one!)

And she pooped today guys! It doesn't look like healthy gecko poop (I can post a picture if necessary) and it was just a tiny bit, but it still happened. Haahaa :D
 

indyana

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Just a note on those pictures, those bumps on her joints are generally a sign of MBD (calcium deficiency), so make certain she's getting all the supplements she needs to recover. You may wish to provide extra calcium/D3 for a time, and consulting with a vet would certainly be helpful.
 
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Guys, she's started shedding. I'm giving her warm soaks and rubbing her to try to loosen the skin and misting her with Zilla Tropical Mist Humidifying Spray. Is this the right thing to do? Is there anything else I should do to help her get the shed off?
 

discoverlight

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Guys, she's started shedding. I'm giving her warm soaks and rubbing her to try to loosen the skin and misting her with Zilla Tropical Mist Humidifying Spray. Is this the right thing to do? Is there anything else I should do to help her get the shed off?

They can usually shed themselves, no need to aid shedding unless it's not a full body shed. They just need a moist spot to lay in for the day and they should be fine
 

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