New Rescue- And She's A Sweetheart!

[Nynecho]

Okay well I finally caved and rescued this baby girl.


She's fully grown, I've had my eye on her for a while.
When my local reptile store got her in, the owner had her in with his personal breeders.
She didn't get along with the male, so he moved her to a smaller breeder tank.
She must just not function in a group setting, cause when she was in with others, she was bullied.
After a while of being in that group, I mentioned to the owner that she wasn't doing to well.
He was about to put her into quarantine when I offered to take her off his hands.

So now I have her in quarantine in my home, no sand, no sharp corners, and no males to pick on her.
She's a bit shy to eating so far, but she lets me hand feed her, and she makes solid poops.
I am thinking no crypto, but I'll still consider taking in a fecal to someone once I find an exotic vet.

If she fails to continue eating solid food, I have a liquid diet lined for her.

She is very happy to be in my care, and if she pulls through, I will try to breed her in the future.​

 

[LoganElvin]

Great! Although I wouldnt breed her with what shes been through. She should stay a strictly pet and be your miracle girl that you secretly favor than all the others. But dont tell them that!

 

[stager]

Great! Although I wouldnt breed her with what shes been through. She should stay a strictly pet and be your miracle girl that you secretly favor than all the others. But dont tell them that!

Yea she looks like she's been threw the ringer. I would not ever put her threw the stress of breeding if she pulls threw

 

[Kristi23]

Good luck with her! I also wouldn't recommend breeding her. Not only is her health an issue, but you don't know her full genetic background. Keep her as a pet and if you want to breed, buy some quality geckos from a well known breeder with a good rep. There are plenty of them out there to choose from.

 

[SCREPTILES]

Good luck with her! I also wouldn't recommend breeding her. Not only is her health an issue, but you don't know her full genetic background. Keep her as a pet and if you want to breed, buy some quality geckos from a well known breeder with a good rep. There are plenty of them out there to choose from.

nynecho breeds only petstore geckos, i have tried to explain to her the unknown genetics she is purchasing yet she shuts me up and says breeding all these unknown genetics only helps the hobby, how that helps the hobby is beyond me.

 

[Kristi23]

nynecho breeds only petstore geckos, i have tried to explain to her the unknown genetics she is purchasing yet she shuts me up and says breeding all these unknown genetics only helps the hobby, how that helps the hobby is beyond me.

Shame. That only hurts the hobby.

 

[rothsauce]

Shame. That only hurts the hobby.

Maybe not hurt the hobby, but it's a gamble and basically buyer beware. It's the same with any rescue dog or cat, or any farm cat. Some want to know exactly what they might be in for, others will take them as they come.
Even pure-blooded critters can still have strage ailments or deformities crop up in the next generation, even if a certain issue hasn't been seen in a family tree for many previous generations.

Genetics are good for more pure-blooded, sturdy lines, and to know what a set of breeds/morphs might be more predisposed to with either health or breeding capabilities.

 

[Kristi23]

Maybe not hurt the hobby, but it's a gamble and basically buyer beware. It's the same with any rescue dog or cat, or any farm cat. Some want to know exactly what they might be in for, others will take them as they come.
Even pure-blooded critters can still have strage ailments or deformities crop up in the next generation, even if a certain issue hasn't been seen in a family tree for many previous generations.

Genetics are good for more pure-blooded, sturdy lines, and to know what a set of breeds/morphs might be more predisposed to with either health or breeding capabilities.

It hurts the hobby because of mixing albino strains, etc. When you breed, you can't always tell what strain it is. You need the genetics because they are not compatible. It creates mutts which would be find for a pet. But you cannot guarantee that they will stay as pets only. I would be very angry to find out that a gecko I had purchased might be tremper het for bell, etc. It's not for the strength although you should breed for stong bloodlines, too. It's about ethics and it's not ethical to breed like that.

 

[rothsauce]

If they are selling the unknown strain offspring as breeders and not disclosing their unknown qualities, it would be in very bad taste. Pets wouldn't be bad but it would be impossible to really keep someone from breeding them anyway.

However with other species, mixing in some unknown strains can and do produce more viable offspring, either genetically or for appearance purposes.
It really depends on why you'd be mixing an unknown strain though.
If it's an unusual color or pattern that one would want to try and replicate, or to bring it out more, mixing might be the only way to go at times. This is especially true if someone wants to breed in a wild caught critter with an established line, and some still do it to see what kind of diversity it can bring.

That's kind of how many specific breeds get started anyway; guess work at first and then refine.

But it still boils down to letting any buyer or interested party know exactly what you're doing; and if they want it as a pet then groovy. If they want to breed it; full disclosure.

BTW I'm not trying to start an argument, just don't think unknown strains are bad unless some(one) is being sold under false pretenses.

 

[Kristi23]

http://geckoforums.net/f125-morphs-genetics/49197.htm

If you want to discuss this more, you can make a post in morphs and genetics. But know that any ethical breeder will tell you that you do not mix albino strains ever. It's never ok. Breeding animals with messed up genetics affects everyone. There are breeders who have been working for years trying to clean things up. If you want to test breed, you test it with each albino strain (for three years), but you have to be prepared to deal with any unwanted (mixed0 offspring. If you want to breed, it's best to buy from a real breeder and go from there. There's no reason to buy a cheap unknown animal to breed with.

 

[Olympus]

Beyond the very good points that Kristi makes, there certainly is something to be said about breeding "strong" animals to keep the species in the pet trade healthy. All these pet store geckos, which have dubious genetic backgrounds and usually receive horrendous care during their critical formative months, just don't seem like the kinds of animals that should form part of anyone's breeding project. Pets, sure, but not the foundation of a breeding project.

But anyway, all that aside OP I do think it would be wise to take a fecal to the vet anyway, just to check for parasites. And to get a check-up, to make sure that she's thin just because she was bullied and stressed and not because something else is going on. Long-term stress can cause other issues so if I were in your shoes I'd get a professional to look her over, just in case.

 

[rothsauce]

http://geckoforums.net/f125-morphs-genetics/49197.htm

A heated debate everywhere, and an interesting one too since it has strong supporters on both sides.

If there is yet an AKC variant for Leo's, one should be considered.

 

[Kristi23]

A heated debate everywhere, and an interesting one too since it has strong supporters on both sides.

If there is yet an AKC variant for Leo's, one should be considered.

I don't know of any good breeder who debates about crossing unknown genetics. Test breeding is not the same thing. No respectable breeder wants geckos with mixed up genetics in their collections.