Newbie Having Trouble With Morphs

[Kevin_B]

I am trying to dive back into leos, but I have always had trouble with their morphs and what is dom, incomplete dom, and recessive. For whatever reason I don't find it as easy to understand as ball pythons, but that could just be because I have put so much time and research into their morphs and combos.

My biggest issue I am having right now is on the topic of RAPTOR(s)

Say you have a Snowglow het RAPTOR...

would that mean it's a 'Temper Albino - Mack Snow - SHTCT - het for Eclipse and Patternless Stripe'?

or another example

APTOR het. RAPTOR

would be.....'Tremper Albino - Patternless - het. Eclipse'?




Sorry if these has been discussed elswhere, I did a quick search to no avail.


Thanks for any help


Regards,
Kevin

 

[telliott4]

You pretty much got it. I don't know about the "patternless stripe" part though. Something that still confuses me is the patternless part of APTOR and RAPTOR because they are not all what I would consider patternless.

 

[Kevin_B]

Yeah I didn't get what the difference between patternless and patternless stripe?


Regards,
Kevin

 

[acpart]

There are 2 different kinds of "Patternles":
--Murphy's patternless is a gecko that's born yellow with very faint beige broken stripe markings which eventually fade (check it out on leopardgeckowiki.com)
--patternless stripe refers to a gecko with both the stripe and reverse stripe trait which cancel out to give it a look with no or few body spots. It's a bit subjective about what to call a patternless stripe. A gecko born with black stripe markings which fade out as it matures I would call a "superhypo stripe" even though its adult look is patternless. A gecko with so little stripe at hatching that is just has a few smudges of black, I would call a patternless stripe.

This past season I hatched a gecko with absolutely no body markings at all and a tail pattern indicating stripe (picture below). This is one I'd call a true patternless stripe:



Aliza

 

[Kevin_B]

So would that mean that a RAPTOR is both stipe and reverse stripe as well?

There isn't much to be read about patternless stripes on leowiki.

 

[acpart]

Technically, a Raptor should have few or no body spots because, yes, it's supposed to be a combination of stripe and reverse stripe. In "real life" everyone calls geckos with all sorts of patterns "Raptors" (including Ron Tremper himself). A purist would say that these geckos are Tremper eclipse banded or striped geckos as opposed to Raptors, but you can't really fight it, it's like language evolution.

Aliza

 

[Kevin_B]

So, pretty much in this day and age anything that is tremper albino, eclipse, and either patternless or patternless stripe is considered a 'RAPTOR'?


Also, thank you very much for your help!

 

[tb144050]

So, pretty much in this day and age anything that is tremper albino, eclipse, and either patternless or patternless stripe is considered a 'RAPTOR'?


Also, thank you very much for your help!

What she means is that raptor is no longer purely: Tremper albino Eclipse Patternless(-stripe) TangORange.

Now it can be: Tremper albino Eclipse Banded TangOR (RaBtor??) ...or Tremper albino Eclipse Striped (Rastor??)...or Tremper albino Eclipse reverse-stripe (RaRSter?? lol)

but everyone loosely calls them "Raptors" because they are Redeye eclipse albino..

 

[Kevin_B]

Alright thanks! that straightens it out for me.