Ok ok, but what would happen if you DID breed two Enigmas?

[Clink]

Would they blow up? Create a black-hole? Hatch with one arm and half a head?????
All I ever hear anyone say is "NO NO!!"
And that's not very scientific eh?
haha

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

You'd probably see the unwanted characteristics, a.k.a. "the syndrome", worsen with this cross. That's the reason why folks are against it, myself included. There still needs to be more outcrossing.

 

[Clink]

Ahh, gatcha. So super twisties, not so good.
Thanks!

 

[cassadaga]

I know of plenty of big breeders who have done this crossing, and have shown no more ill effects than Enigma X non Enigma. I haven't done the cross, and I agree it's probably better still to not breed enigma to enigma, but these are experimental times, with a morph we still really don't know much about.

 

[Clink]

Probably need more outcrossing to strengthen the lines to make it work correctly without making Super Twisties. Which is definitely a new morph I made up right now, happens all the time right? haha

 

[LG-Geckos]

I haven´t recognized any diffrents from breeding Enigma X Enigma and breeding Enigma X non Enigma...

 

[justindh1]

We all have heard that the syndrome will never be breed out of the enigma so out-crossing isn't going to help them out as everyone thinks. Out-crossing has been happening for years with the enigma and it hasn't changed anything much at all because the syndrome is still around. Your always going to have babies either way that will have the enigma syndrome whether its enigma x non-enigma or enigma x enigma.

 

[M&I Gecko]

My views are starting to change like yours Justin.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Out-crossing has been happening for years with the enigma and it hasn't changed anything much at all because the syndrome is still around. Your always going to have babies either way that will have the enigma syndrome whether its enigma x non-enigma or enigma x enigma.

I disagree. Outcrossing has been happening for maybe three to five years, with big volume outcrossing for the past two years maybe.

Here's a question ... Isn't outcrossing to get rid of an undesired trait pretty much the same as line-breeding for a desired one? Any idea how long it took Dan to produce the beautiful HG Tangs we know today? Or how long it took Kelli to produce her gorgeous Electric Tangs as they are today? I'm going to put my money on more than three to five years. And I stand by my statement that more outcrossing is needed. Far more. :main_yes:

 

[M&I Gecko]

I hope your right.

 

[justindh1]

I hope that this morph will get better but as we all know in the interview with late night leos, kelli said that this morph will always have its ticks and will probably never be cured from out-crossing!

 

[THE WHISPERER]

I have asked several times if there was any data from anyone who's actually bred Enigma to Enigma to try and find out if there were more or less problems (Enigma syndrome) with their offspring, and i received 0 responses. This year i bred my female Enigma to her son that i produced last year, so far i've only hatched out 4 babies (3 being Enigmas) and not a single problem. None of them circle, they all eat fine and are thriving quite well. I know that 4 is hardly scientific data, but maybe it's a start. It's more info than what i was given when i asked, so maybe more people that have done this cross can help shed some light on the matter.

 

[justindh1]

I could see them saying not to breed enigma x enigma to keep the supply/demand ratio from being messed up. Being a dominate morph and that would create twice as much enigmas and flood the market, lol, just playing but it sounds good! The prices did fall quick but i think its problems had more to do with the price drop then it being dominate genetics. Either way all is speculation because nothing is really know about this morph at all which is kinda wierd since its been out for more then a couple years.

 

[SleepyDee]

And I stand by my statement that more outcrossing is needed. Far more. :main_yes:

which might work better if only non-circlers were used for breeding ~ unfortunately I can't see the circling issues ever being bred out especially when (here in the UK anyway) you see known circlers being sold as breeders/breeding stock and/or people breeding circlers regardless because of the £/$ signs :main_no:

 

[meatgecko]

which might work better if only non-circlers were used for breeding ~ unfortunately I can't see the circling issues ever being bred out especially when (here in the UK anyway) you see known circlers being sold as breeders/breeding stock and/or people breeding circlers regardless because of the £/$ signs :main_no:

I don't think it's a case of breeding the circling out imo I don't think it can be bred out. some do circle more than others I have several that circled when I first got them but have settled down and don't circle at all now.

Like I've posted before enigma is a strange morph anyway if you had one you'd know that their behaviour is best described as a tad strange. :main_thumbsup: