Ok, so here's a good one... read, and let the discussion begin... I NEED SOME HELP!!!

[StatikStepz]

...and u are the 1st person to tell me that it's incorrect....

Everyone i have ever spoken to has said those babies will come from what i have.

...Even the breeder that i purchased it from at the Reptile Show in Daytona that i went to. He told me that he works with all of these all the time (and quite apparent that the did, based solely on the fact that all the morphs listed here were pretty much what comprised his whole booth) and that pairing it with a Tremper Albino Mack Snow that is also carrying the Eclipse gene will give me all of the previously listed babies. And that is what he often uses himself to breed.

 

[StatikStepz]

Oh yeah... and Ron Tremper even told me that. lol

 

[StatikStepz]

I spoke to him about it while i was there at the Breeder's Expo in Orlando. He had a table there too.

 

[R.E.F]

You will get eclipse babies but pairing a non-albino eclipse to a albino eclipse, will only give you eclipse het albino. unless the black hole have albino gen in it.

 

[R.E.F]

An albino eclipse x eclipse gives you 100% eclipse het albino, not raptor but
eclipse het raptor

 

[R.E.F]

And yes The Eclipse are the non-albino cain of raptor but without the albino it aint a raptor!

 

[StatikStepz]

yes, i know that you need 2 strains of albino to make homo albino... but i'm not making tremper albinos.

However, The albino gene will cross into the eclipse gene, and morph to make Raptor. I do understand where you are coming from and what you are trying to get across to me. Unfortunately, what you are thinking of is not what is happening here.

 

[StatikStepz]

here's the (F) Black Hole and (M) S.E. Tremper mack Snow....

 

[R.E.F]

Yes, but cross the eclipse and albino will make raptor, but not just from the pairing eclipse x albino. then you need to pair the babies together or like that because that the babies will be eclipse het albino aka eclipse het raptor.

 

[crotaphytidae]

I assumed that you had a Black Hole het Tremper based on what you were asking and the outcomes you were predicting, Rasmus is right if there is no albino gene in the Black Hole then you will get no variation of Albinos i.e. Raptor, Nova, Mack Raptor, Super Raptor, or Super Nova. You will instead get animals that are all het for Tremper and have phenotypes of BEE, Eclipse, Total Eclipse, Dalmation Eclipse, and Mack Eclipse but no albinos. I'd try to find out for certain, if you can remember the vendors name, what the genotype of the Black Hole is before you breed. That way you know what the animals are before hand.

 

[R.E.F]

Yes if the Black hole aint het tremper, there cant be any raptor outcome like i said before.

 

[paulnj]

R.E.F who do you know that sells mack eclipse enigma that are non het albino publicly..

I assure you NOBOBY wanted to sell me even a mack eclipse non het in Daytona and I could have paid fair market value for one if need be.

I assure you the blackhole is atleast 66% het and I would bet it's 100% with the advanced animals said breeder works with

 

[StatikStepz]

R.E.F who do you know that sells mack eclipse enigma that are non het albino publicly..

I assure you NOBOBY wanted to sell me even a mack eclipse non het in Daytona and I could have paid fair market value for one if need be.

I assure you the blackhole is atleast 66% het and I would bet it's 100% with the advanced animals said breeder works with

...so then this could be the reason why the breeder that i purchased this gecko from told me that i could create these things... and that maybe he just didn't say it to me that it was het albino.

Good. My hopes are back up. lol

Cuz if worse got to worse, and it ended up that i infact did not get any Raptor gene out of this, then i'd have to take one of the Black Hole babies that were created, assuming it was female, and then breed it back to the father, the Tremper Mack Snow... cuz then atleast that one would be het for tremper.

 

[xanderville]

Paul is right about the black hole. More than likely it is het or poss het for Tremper. Hopefully you can find out if it is. Your only way to find out may to just breed it. But if it is not het for tremper than you will not be able to create any form of raptor the first season.

But on the bright side. If there is no Tremper in the black hole, then you got a very tempting gecko. You could cross that black hole in the bell or las vegas line and be on your way to produce radars, snow radars, typhoons and snow typhoons. I'm sure there is a few people on here that would not mind having a snow eclipse het for no albino strain. Either way you will be set. Good luck man

 

[StatikStepz]

What the heck is a "Typhoon"?

Its not even on leopardgeckowiki.com...?

 

[StatikStepz]

..And what do you think is more popular and holds more value? A RADAR or a RAPTOR?

(not a trick question... just curious...)

 

[R.E.F]

I have seeing many here sellign Black holes and mack snow eclipses without hets!

 

[ILoveGeckos14]

I thought that BEE stood for Bell Enigma Eclipse. I saw somewhere that it was just a Enigma Eclipse but then why the abreviation B-EE?

 

[R.E.F]

R.E.F who do you know that sells mack eclipse enigma that are non het albino publicly..

I assure you NOBOBY wanted to sell me even a mack eclipse non het in Daytona and I could have paid fair market value for one if need be.

I assure you the blackhole is atleast 66% het and I would bet it's 100% with the advanced animals said breeder works with

I have seeing ALOT of black holes, Bee and mack snow eclipse That AINT het for anything! So there are many that sells them without hets, saw many at hamm.

 

[crotaphytidae]

I thought that BEE stood for Bell Enigma Eclipse. I saw somewhere that it was just a Enigma Eclipse but then why the abreviation B-EE?

BEE stands for Black Eyed Enigma :main_thumbsup: