Osteoform question..

[tangerineman]

I have searched for this when i first read about it, and noticed there was a horse on the one pound package,

I have been using rep cal products...and I use Vionate also...

I noticed today that there is a Osteoform SA available...for small animals (the S.A. part)...is this what is generally being used by leo breeders, or is this something new on the market, and is there any difference between this smaller container formula, and the larger (1lb/25lb.) packaged formula?

..I noticed the one with the horse on the pic (trad. formula?) highlighted Vit A/D with Ascorbic acid, but unsure how important, if at all, ascorbic acid is to Leos...

thanks...
-Duane

 

[robin]

I have searched for this when i first read about it, and noticed there was a horse on the one pound package,

I have been using rep cal products...and I use Vionate also...

I noticed today that there is a Osteoform SA available...for small animals (the S.A. part)...is this what is generally being used by leo breeders, or is this something new on the market, and is there any difference between this smaller container formula, and the larger (1lb/25lb.) packaged formula?

..I noticed the one with the horse on the pic (trad. formula?) highlighted Vit A/D with Ascorbic acid, but unsure how important, if at all, ascorbic acid is to Leos...

thanks...
-Duane

the one with the horse on it is the one most of the people have been using. i am unaware of the small animal formula therefor not familiar with it. there is no difference between the 1lb. and the 25 lb. except size.
as far as ascorbit acid perhaps marcia can answer that question.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Ascorbic acid is Vitamin C. Also, I know a lot of folks use Osteoform for their geckos, but it has a very high calcium to phosphorous ratio, which is designed for mammals. The ratio of calcium to phosphorous is important for kidney function and the production or urates. If the ratio is not correct, it can cause gout... and little is known about this crippling and potentially fatal condition in reptiles.

 

[tangerineman]

thanks

thanks for the info...

this may be a case of 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' lol,
what i'm doing seems to be working, i was just looking for the most economical way to get them the suppliments...
and 1lb containers looked good..

i am curious what this gout is about though...
-Duane

 

[ByRandom]

Ascorbic acid is Vitamin C. Also, I know a lot of folks use Osteoform for their geckos, but it has a very high calcium to phosphorous ratio, which is designed for mammals. The ratio of calciumhosphorous is important for kidney function and the production or urates. If the ratio is not correct, it can cause gout... and little is known about this crippling and potentially fatal condition in reptiles.

I totally agree with the MOGL. I was using OsteoForm until I actually read the label. Shame on me. If I remember correctly it's 16.5% Phosphorus and 8% calcium, I believe. It also has d3 and all the other good stuff. I was using it as a "pure calcium" from the advice of a breeder/friend of mine. I immidiately threw it all out/into the mealworm bin, and replaced it with RepCal products.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I would like to urge all members of GF to pick up a copy of the most recent Reptiles Magazine, which has an article on gout in reptiles.

 

[KHGeckos]

this is very helpful information, i placed an order for some osteo-form and vionate about 2 days ago. im def. going to use the osteo forum in miniscule amounts once in a blue.

 

[MichaelJ]

We use rep-cal and vionate..

Gout - i have personal experience with this one..

In the blood, uric acid usually presents as monosodium urate. Both the urate salts and free uric acid are largely insoluble in water. When the serum concentration of either free uric acid or urate salts is elevated, hyperuricemia develops. Crystals, called tophi, are formed which may circulate through the blood or the synovial (joint) fluid, resulting in the deposition of crystals in tissues, organs and joints throughout the body. When they are deposited by the synovial fluid in joints, gouty arthritis or periarticular arthritis forms, both painful inflammatory conditions.
- Melissa Kaplan


Basically they form large crystalline deposits (like rocks)on their joints and get swelling and extreme pain.

In our case our male normal (our first pets) formed them on his front feet and they just looked swollen. We brought him and they pulled some fluid out with a syringe and you could see the crystals.

In reptiles this is technically fatal in my opinion. It cannot be cured and it is excruciatingly painful and for the animal's own sake they need to be euthanized.

They still do not really understand how this happens in reptiles as well, because in mammals it's generally caused by over consumption of red meats (animal proteins), which Leopard Geckos don't generally get a lot of.. Even those that do (snakes, monitors, carnivores, etc) shouldn't be getting this either.. I was speaking with my vet and another Vet friend of ours a few weeks back about it and they both hypothesized that the captive breeding may be a cause or at least a contribution to the problem. That was a long conversation to say the least.


I'm getting upset just remembering that day.

 

[Leopardbreeder]

Yes, I saw that article Marcia. I knew most of that (kinda) so I only helped alittle. I also saw your ad in the back! lol