Paradox spot questions??

[fallen_angel]

Okay so I have seen paradox spots before, but now that we have a baby with one, a few questions have came to mind:
1) What causes them?
2) Is it a bad idea to breed a gecko with a paradox spot?
3) Do people like them or are they frowned upon? (please vote on poll)

Personally, I think it is cute and gives her character, but I really don't know if it would be favorable to really breed. Just wanted to see other people's opinions :main_yes: Don't feel obligated to be nice, just be honest, we really want to know what people think about this

Our little MSP baby with a paradox spot:

Thanks!

 

[KelliH]

Personally, I like paradox spots.

 

[jaredm3624]

I have a SS that has a yellow spot right above her right hind leg. I don't really like it on her but have no problem with them over all.

 

[fallen_angel]

Yeah, I suppose I wouldn't like one on a SS either, just cause it's a SS.. although I am sure it doesn't look too bad

 

[fallen_angel]

Anyone have thoughts on whether a gecko with a paradox spot should be bred? What is the likelihood that it would pass on to offspring, if any? I mean, neither parents have a paradox spot, so it's almost like it just popped up out of nowhere..?? Although I have no idea what the "grandparents" looked like.

 

[Baoh]

It would depend upon if the change is genetic and it extends to the germ cell line. Unless tested, it would be a guess. However, it could just as easily be a case of variable genetic expression in the cellular development of one region of the body. I would still breed the animal, but I would be prepared for the possibility that the trait could be heritable and then passed down (which could potentially ruin a particular project). Basically, I would not worry until I had a good reason to worry. If it's a sole investment sort of thing, then I might not take that gamble. If it is one female out of several in a breeding group of a particular morph, for another example, then it would be a smaller concern. I have a somewhat unusual RAPTOR female that is much lighter in color than normal (het DB that has Ruby eyes, a carrot tail, but is light in tone like a BB), a female Patternless that is likely Eclipse (solid black eyes), and a TPA female that pretty much qualifies as a "low-grade" Ember (snake eyes). I will have to breed them in order to figure out what is going on with reasonable certainty, but that's part of the fun for me and they are not absolutely crucial to my projects. I'm using a RAPTOR variant male to test the odd RAPTOR female and I will acquire a male that is het for Ember to test the two special Patty females.

 

[Purpleskyes]

I like them a guy on one the UK forums has a leo with a massive paradox spot it looks really cool all over his neck and down one of this front legs.

 

[Ian S.]

Paradox spots are the coolest! They always look so random and out of place

 

[fallen_angel]

Thanks for the input everyone!

It would depend upon if the change is genetic and it extends to the germ cell line. Unless tested, it would be a guess. However, it could just as easily be a case of variable genetic expression in the cellular development of one region of the body. I would still breed the animal, but I would be prepared for the possibility that the trait could be heritable and then passed down (which could potentially ruin a particular project). Basically, I would not worry until I had a good reason to worry. If it's a sole investment sort of thing, then I might not take that gamble. If it is one female out of several in a breeding group of a particular morph, for another example, then it would be a smaller concern. I have a somewhat unusual RAPTOR female that is much lighter in color than normal (het DB that has Ruby eyes, a carrot tail, but is light in tone like a BB), a female Patternless that is likely Eclipse (solid black eyes), and a TPA female that pretty much qualifies as a "low-grade" Ember (snake eyes). I will have to breed them in order to figure out what is going on with reasonable certainty, but that's part of the fun for me and they are not absolutely crucial to my projects. I'm using a RAPTOR variant male to test the odd RAPTOR female and I will acquire a male that is het for Ember to test the two special Patty females.

Okay, thanks She is definitely not a female that would really need to be bred, so it isn't the biggest concern really.. we were just curious

Sounds like you have some exciting projects going on :main_yes:

 

[paulnj]

I'm with Kelli... they add character and I like them.

They are just a birthmark so to speak if you ask me. Nobody has consistently produced them that I know of, nor have they been proven genetic thus far.

 

[fallen_angel]

Thanks for your input Paul

 

[Halley]

Yeah, I was kidda with Paul, on the birthmark theory.

And if I like them or not… Well, really I couldn’t care either way, so there wasn’t really a vote on the poll for me.

 

[paulnj]

Steve Sykes hatched a female SSTA with a yellow paradox and I hatched a Male SSTA with a yellow paradox. Believe me, those 2 are seperate from the rest due to that paradox spot.

 

[fallen_angel]

Sorry Nick, I knew there was a 4th option I was forgetting


But yeah, I've been trying to convince Mike that we should keep her :main_yes: Got some pics, Paul?

 

[paulnj]

No I don't , but ARGECKOS owns it now.

 

[phalanx]

i just love them. I've got a ss bell with a yellow paradox spot. That spot just makes her so unique to me

 

[nats]

I have never heard of this term "paradox spot" (yes, I know what paradox means! ).
Can someone tell me the origin of this term as it is applied in this context?

I would have just called it a birthmark.
Is that the same thing?

 

[elphani]

I have male with a black paradox spot/marking which a bred last year to a female without p.m. From the eight eggs I incubatet, four Babys developped a paradox marking! Three of them have a red one and one has a black one. The position are totally different (jaw, belly, hind leg). First I thougt that they are only birthmarks that pop out sometimes without any genetic background. But after that breeding results I think that there may be at least a genetic predisposition to develop them.
Next year I plan to breed that male with a paradox marking female.

 

[GeckoGathering]

Spots

Personally, I think it is cute and gives her character, but I really don't know if it would be favorable to really breed. Just wanted to see other people's opinions :main_yes: Don't feel obligated to be nice, just be honest, we really want to know what people think about this
Thanks!

If I was thinking white........I really am looking for white........not a yellow cloud over my preference for breeding white.
Now if I fell for a little guy or gal for pet reasons, it would make no difference.......take care. HJ

 

[Sammag]

I dont have a leo with any of these but my pac man frog which is an albino has 3 green splatches on it body. It looks really cool