*pics* interesting geckos...what are they?

[SFgeckos]

This topic/thread is somewhat similar to the one that dan posted over in the other section...mostly pertaining to genetics?

http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=26706

I've been producing some geckos that quite frankly, I'm not sure what they are? Most have one snake eyed, one eclipsed eyed, or both eclipsed. They are born very unique looking (almost patternless with no body spots. they also have reduced head spotting) and as they grow their pattern fades to the typical "eclipse" body pattern type.
Are these just "eclipse" geckos or are they something else? I almost want to say they are the "non albino" version of the aptor or raptor???
I have never see Tremper's "Abyssinian" morph in person, but from his description and photos on his website, his geckos are something completely different from what I'm producing.

All the below geckos are from patternless stripe and red stripe crosses. I believe that my male patternless stripe is "het" for eclipse, and perhaps some, if not all of my red stripe and patternless stripe female also are "het" for eclipse. I have NO adult eclipse geckos, so I really don't have anything to compare or contrast to in my own collection.

Below are some photos of different geckos, they are about 4-6 weeks apart in age but you can see the progression. At night some of them are very pale, almost to the point of possibly be characterized as a "pastel" or "ghost". Interestingly enough, out of a clutch of two eggs, there is always one of these "snake eyed/eclipse/weird geckos" and the other is always a red stripe or patternless stripe. I haven't produced TWO of these from the same clutch of two eggs.
Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated!
Jon

 

[SFgeckos]

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Here are some of their clutchmates, red stripes/jungles and patternless red stripes.
Enjoy!

Jon

 

[Harmurray]

Non - Albino Raptors - Eclipse (Patternless Stripe)

Just my guess - awesome animals Jon!!!!

 

[chad ramsey]

interesting. i love genetic jackpot's

 

[paulnj]

Welcome to " making your own eclipses "

 

[godzillizard]

Here's my theory/hypothesis: jungles are refined aberrants. Stripes are refined jungles. Reverse stripes are refined stripes. And patternless stripes are refined reverse stripes. An "Eclipse" patternless stripe is a refined patternless stripe. It's the pattern of pattern And you've got some awesome carrot tail on some of those, Congrats

 

[Ian S.]

In my experiences breeding normals het stripe have hatched stripes. Breeding het jungles = jungles. As seen in every other morph there are lesser degrees of the physical forms. Examples would be striped bodies w banded tails and vice versa. Another attribute to the polygenic theory would come directly from the results you get when crossing a jungle to a stripe. When crossing the two some of the offspring hatch "almost" exactly like stripes but still have that crazy abberancy seen in jungles. Take striped mack snows for instance. They are not created by breeding a stripe to a mack, then breeding abberant offspring to each other, and so on and so forth as the polygenic theory proclaims. So in a sense your right. Some jungles probably have been reformed into stripes and that's as far as it goes.

 

[MSMD]

Very cool geckos! I just love that last baby! Lovely carrot tail on that one!

 

[Ian S.]

How rude of me!!! The geckos are smokin' good stuff!

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Nice Patternless Striped Eclipses!

Yes you are right they are pretty much a non-albino Raptor. This would be a normal occurence when working with Patternless Stripe project animals. It works exactly the same way as the Aptor/Raptor traits do in that project. The best part for me of working with them, is they are not directly related to Rons lines, which he had claimed to have inbred for more than twenty seven years.