Pinstripes

[TheHiddenGecko]

I bought a pinstripe from Alex Hue back in October and finally got a hatchling today. He claimed them to be dominant but the one that i hatched proved otherwise. I'd get a pic but it has deformed eyelids and you all know what a normal looks like.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

First of all isn`t a "pinstripe" related to a regular stripe? So why he would have told anyone it is dominant? I wonder where this "morph" even came from.:main_yes:

 

[TheHiddenGecko]

When I bought mine I asked him if they were related to any other stripes. He said no and it was just something that "popped" up in his line.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I remember someone posting more information, about what they are even. I do not remember what they said about it though. Was that you? What is a pinstripe even?

 

[eyelids]

Chris (giantkeeper) is working with a nice size group of these and out of 12 hatchlings he's only gotten 2 Stripes... Definitely not dominant...

 

[trizzypballr]

wasnt that his stripe line? He claimed it was dominant? I believe I slightly remember the convo also.

 

[TheHiddenGecko]

I remember someone posting more information, about what they are even. I do not remember what they said about it though. Was that you? What is a pinstripe even?

The only time I talked about them was when I got mine in October. I wanted to hatch one out before I started talking about them again.

Chris (giantkeeper) is working with a nice size group of these and out of 12 hatchlings he's only gotten 2 Stripes... Definitely not dominant...

Yeah I don't know what to think now. Alex used to have pics of his hatchlings on his site and they looked pretty different from what Chris hatched out.

 

[robin]

i think it might be time to call him and ask for your money back for selling you something that isnt what he claimed it to be.

 

[giantkeeper]

When I bought mine I asked him if they were related to any other stripes. He said no and it was just something that "popped" up in his line.

Actually, they are from the line of Stripes I have from him....his words....

Chris (giantkeeper) is working with a nice size group of these and out of 12 hatchlings he's only gotten 2 Stripes... Definitely not dominant...

Got another great jungle yesterday though...lol I should have a picture of it, and hopefully the sibling has hatched by the time I get home...

 

[TheHiddenGecko]

i think it might be time to call him and ask for your money back for selling you something that isnt what he claimed it to be.

It was only $25 so I'm not to concerned about it. It would cost more just to ship it back.

Actually, they are from the line of Stripes I have from him....his words....

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Chris, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this. Do we have the same line of stripes?

 

[giantkeeper]

Chris, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this. Do we have the same line of stripes?

Steve,

That is my understanding of the situation. If it helps any, they still give some great babies!

 

[TheHiddenGecko]

I'm still confused haha. So do you think that we don't have what he had original pictures of?

 

[okapi]

:main_huh: Why would you want to ship it back? Didnt you get it because you like its stripe? Or is breeding the only reason you got it? Breed stripe to stripe for a higher chance of stripes....

 

[TheHiddenGecko]

I bought it because it was supposed to be something new and since he claimed it was dominant I bred him to a really nice hypo tang hoping for some nice tangs with stripes.

 

[giantkeeper]

I'm still confused haha. So do you think that we don't have what he had original pictures of?

?.........I got what I paid for as far as pictures go. I can however tell you out of 14 babies I have barely seen stripes (2 stripes,6 jungles, and 6 normals), let alone anything resembling the "Pins" he says are produced by this line. I bought mine before he told me what he considered the mode of inheritance to be.....so I have no disillusions there.


When you have time, lets see a picture of dad. Also, you can't judge the genetics based on 1 baby....If it is a dominant trait, you should still see at least half of the offspring express the jungle/stripe trait, it has already proven to not be the "super" (for lack of a better term) form.

Here is a quote from StinaKSU taking us to genetics school. The area in red would cover this current situation (if the trait is dominant) also note I changed the term recessive to normal, for this subject.

wow...there is a lot of genetics misunderstanding in this thread............

I will try to make a relatively quick rundown of very basic genetics.......

A dominant allele is a form of a gene that will hide a different allele ("form") of the same gene. A dominant allele in either a homozygous (2 of the same allele) or heterozygous (2 different alleles) arrangement will produce the SAME appearance.

A recessive allele is a form of a gene that will be hidden by a different allele ("form") of the same gene. A recessive allele will not be visible in a heterozygous genotype, and will ONLY be expressed as a visible phenotype when the animal is homozygous.

With incomplete and codominant alleles you have 3 different appearances, 2 different homozygous and a heterozygous. The heterozygous is some sort of appearance that's between the 2 homozygous appearances.

Heterozygous is PURELY a genetics term referring to the ARRANGEMENT of alleles that an animal has....it does NOT equate to the animal's appearance...any animal with 2 different alleles is heterzygous regardless of what the appearance is. When you are dealing with a dominant gene you have homozygous and heterozygous dominant animals that both have the same appearance but DIFFERENT genetics...the terms homozygous and heterozygous allow you to differentiate which is which. With a recessive allele the term heterozygous allows you to tell if an animal is carrying the recessive form.

With any of the possibilities you have 3 different genetic combination possibilities... Two homozygous, and a heterozygous.....if you use "A" and "a" as symbols, with A being dominant and a being recessive, they would appear as AA, Aa, and aa. AA is homozygous dominant, Aa is heterozygous dominant, and aa is homozygous recessive. AA and Aa will produce the SAME appearance if you are dealing with a dominant gene.

When breeding if you breed a homozygous dominant animal to a homozygous recessive animal (which i will just refer to as recessive now...) you will get
.......A.....A
a....Aa....Aa
a....Aa....Aa
The result in this case is going to be 100% heterozygous dominant animals that will all have the same appearance as the homozygous dominant parent.

When breeding a heterozygous dominant animal to a normal animal you will get
......A.....a
a....Aa...aa
a....Aa...aa
The result here is 50% heterozygous dominant animals with the same appearance as the heterozygous dominant parent...and 50% normal animals the same appearance as the normal parent.

When breeding a heterozygous dominant animal to another heterozygous dominant animal you will get
......A.....a
A....AA...Aa
a....Aa...aa
The result here is that you get 75% animals with the same appearance as the parents, about 66% of them will be heterozygous dominant and 33% will be homozygous dominant. You will also get 25% recessive animals that will NOT look like the parents.......which means even when breeding two animals with an appearance caused by a dominant gene you will NOT always get 100% dominant offspring.

now...if you breed a homozygous dominant with a heterozygous dominant you will get
......A.....a
A....AA...Aa
A....AA...Aa
NOW you will get ALL dominant appearing offspring...and 50% will be heterozygous dominant and 50% homozygous dominant.

If you breed 2 homozygous dominant animals you will get 100% homozygous dominant offspring with the same appearance as the parents. if you breed 2 recessive animals you will produce 100% recessive offspring.

Genes with a "super" form are NOT simple dominant...they are either codominant or incompletely dominant.

This is NOT theory, this is fact when dealing with simple genetics. There can be many other factors such as linkage and multiple genes leading to one appearance...but that is how simple genes work. If enigma is a simple dominant morph then breeding an enigma to a normal will produce EITHER 50% normals and 50% enigmas OR 100% enigmas....you would ONLY get 100% enigmas if the enigma parent is homozygous dominant....and you would not be able to tell by looking at them which is homozygous and which is heterozygous because they would both look the same.

At any rate....I hope that made sense is helpful to at least one person.....lol

The true test will be next season....would any of my offspring from this season be the Homo/super form...doubt it, but we'll see :main_thumbsup:

 

[TheHiddenGecko]

Here's a pic of when he was younger.

As of now he's fatter and his stripe isn't easily noticeable.

 

[giantkeeper]

Here's a pic of when he was younger.

As of now he's fatter and his stripe isn't easily noticeable.

He has great color! I did not mean to clog up your post. Keep us up to date with your offspring from him.