Please check out carrot tail progression pics...

[ganjaMan2800]

Okay, so this first pic is one of two lovely super hypo tang's carrot tail baldies I purchased last November. The second picture is a close up of the tail, and the final pic is the display picture of her from the breeder's website.l...is this a normal progression? I thought the carrot-tail only got fuller and further down the tail with age? Any ideas would be greatly apprecaited, I am just curious....

 

[Leopardbreeder]

Make sure you have permission to use that photo. Things like that happens. Many times its gets fuller, but other times it will regress. Its just what happens.

 

[rhino43grr]

looks like they shot her from her "good side" with a good quality camera to me. has it visibly decreased since you got her or just looks different compared to the website picture?

 

[matt s]

It is a little strange that the carrot tail got smaller but some geckos colors do change from when there babies but he's still a LOOKER :main_robin:

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

I have had many carrot tail animals lose their carroting. Sometimes it just happens. It is certainly not anyones fault.

 

[Leopardbreeder]

Its kinda cool though how they can change.

 

[ganjaMan2800]

Its kinda cool though how they can change.

Yea, probably a little bit cooler if it was an increase in carroting hahah...


Hey Jeremy, are you going to be at the Chicagoland show in Wheaton on the 20th or whatever? I am going to be back around my hometown this upcoming weekend...I am going to try and find some geckos of the Goni. family. Have you ever seen any come through there ?

 

[DanTheFireman]

I have had many carrot tail animals lose their carroting. Sometimes it just happens. It is certainly not anyones fault.

Agreed! I cringe when putting some of them together to breed, the change can be drastic.

 

[LeosForLess]

one of my geckos went from about 50% to 15% after breeding. Ray hines line tends to be effected the most.

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

I will be at the show make sure to stop and say hey. There may be some goni's there but I can't vouch for the quality.

 

[ganjaMan2800]

I am curious as to what exactly you mean by "quality". Have you heard of bad things about some of the breeder's there? Specifically about the Goni.'s??

I wonder what characteristics besides the obvious signs of mis-care would show a lack in quality.


Anyways, I will definitely swing by and say hello, I purchased a het. RRS from you there last year about this time of the year.

 

[eyelids]

Hey ganjaMan... Welcome to the forums!

I had no idea they could lose CT...

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Yes, welcome indeed you are(yoda voice).

I thought you meant it the other way around(it grew that much ct not lost it), oops. Bummer.

I am curious as to what exactly you mean by "quality". Have you heard of bad things about some of the breeder's there? Specifically about the Goni.'s??

I think at a reptile show, one cannot be sure of the quality, of everyone elses animals, in general.

 

[ganjaMan2800]

Yea, i dont know really...it does seem suspicous. I mean it would be really easy to alter the CT of a specimen through either photoshop techniques or physically altering the actual animal. You could literally tape off and spray paint a more full CT...

I posted this over on Geckos Unlimited and a breeder posted that this was for sure not the same animal as in the picture. That there is no logical reason that the CT would diminish that much from a juvenile to adult. This gecko is 1.5 years old approximately.

I'm not accusing people of wrong-doing, nor am I devastated by this situation, but it's just dissapointing, as usually one looks forward to their gecko filling out more than reducing desirable characteristics as such.

 

[ganjaMan2800]

and ya know, looking at her breeder's picture, the second half of that CT does look a little off. Too much red I believe, it does not look correct. Plus the first half of that solid CT is still evident on the animal, but really nothing beyond.

That CT difference is probably a $25-50 difference in the price of the animal.

 

[Emma318]

Yea, i dont know really...it does seem suspicous. I mean it would be really easy to alter the CT of a specimen through either photoshop techniques or physically altering the actual animal. You could literally tape off and spray paint a more full CT...

I posted this over on Geckos Unlimited and a breeder posted that this was for sure not the same animal as in the picture. That there is no logical reason that the CT would diminish that much from a juvenile to adult. This gecko is 1.5 years old approximately.

I'm pretty sure that's the same animal. You can even see the two black bars on the tail in every pic, including the breeder pic! Plus, it seems a $25-$50 difference in price wouldn't be enough to jeopardize your whole reputation as a breeder by altering your pics in photoshop.

"That there is no logical reason that the CT would diminish that much from a juvenile to adult."

I think Paul, Jeremy and Dan just verified that there IS a perfectly logical reason. Stress, breeding, and simple slight differences in husbandry are all perfectly logical reasons for color changes....

I don't think anyone's out to get you exactly. Sometimes that's just the way the cookie crumbles! Still a gorgeous leo.....:main_yes:

 

[preacherman]

ganjaMan2800,

I'm not sure who you are, but that is a picture of one of my geckos. I did not give you permission to use it on a public forum.
I'm sorry that you are not satisfied with the quality of the animal. I'm also sorry that you chose to deal with it in this manner. Had you contacted me instead of bringing it to a public forum I would have done whatever necessary to make you happy. I stand behind the quality of my animals 100%, and there are many others on this forum who would do the same.
The suggestion that I alter my photos and possibly even paint the tails of my geckos is not only ridiculous, but completely uncalled for. The gecko pictured is indeed the same gecko that you have photographed. There are a number of explanations for why the carrot tail would have diminished, including husbandry issues. If you have any other concerns, please contact me privately.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Posting other people's photos without permission on a public forum is illegal, and claiming those photos were altered is borderline libelous.

This thread is now closed.