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Azazel

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...because I am typing this in a hurry. The story goes:

I was doing some selective mating somewhere around 6 hours ago. Now is roughly about 5.05 a.m. One of them involves a male Tremper Enigma. I watched each and every copulation that took place with all pairs including the Tremper enigma. But since this is the first time I paired him, I decided to watch him more compared to the others. He was doing the normal male courting routine i.e. vibrating tail, biting up and down the female's body and copulating. While I was watching the lovemaking, the female suddenly move away from the male. Then I saw a drip of blood coming from the male hemipenis together with a white substance. I am not sure what the white substance is but it could be sperm or even urate. Anyway, I wasn't worried at first because the male seemed normal i.e. licking his hemipenis just like any other males after a courtship. And I thought just like any other males, he would retract his hemipenis soon after copulation. So I just put him back into his enclosure. He had done his job anyway.

But at exactly 4.30 a.m., I decided to check on all the males including the Tremper enigma. That's when I saw his willy was still sticking out. I watched him for a few minutes until I am confident that he wasn't showing it to impress me. This guy has a hemipenis prolapse (pictures attached). I have dealt with many prolapses before. But none involved a leopard gecko. But what the heck, I decided to give it a try anyway. My method usually involves re-inserting the hemipenis before it gets expose for quite some time. That way, it's usually easier to push it back into the animal compared to the tedious task of using a sugary paste/water. This is because it's still fresh and not swollen. So I took but Midwest probe (balled tip), smeared KY jelly and tried to push that thingy back where it came from. To my amazement, it didn't want to go back in. Not even a single milimeter. And the gecko's persistence to keep pushing it out didn't help either. So, after using judicial force and failed, I decided to write something to seek help before I start to hurt the poor thing. What should I do? Before anybody tells me to go to a vet, there's no qualified reptile's one here where I am living. So all this will be DIY. And I need some guidance.

Should I:
1. change his enclosure - take everything out except his water bowl and moist hide.
2. I should use papertowel only and not clean newspaper anymore?
3. use a sugary water/paste?
4. what other products should I use?
5. will this procedure work?

This is stressful. So please bear with me.

For your info please.

Regards
 
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Sunrise Reptile

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The ONLY thing I've ever used, and it's worked for me every time, is plain luke-warm tap water (warm, not hot) soaks. I don't add sugar or anything else to the water. I soak them for about 15 to 20 minutes at a time, two to three times a day. It has taken upto two days of soaks to correct the problem, so don't get discouraged if you decide to try this. Be patient!

In my opinion, the worst thing you can do is to try to force the hemipene back in. If the above method is going to work, there's nothing additional you should have to do. It should go back in place all by itself. Good Luck!
 

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Thanks Maurice for such prompt reply and wish. At the moment, I have placed him into a delicup with sugary water. Praying for a miracle to happen because he still has work with 3 other females. I just hope the hemipenis will not go into a necrotic stage. That would really spoil my day (and of course his).

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Breathtakingly beautiful, isn't he...

If I decided to leave him in there and clean his mess (pee&poo) until the thing goes back in, would that be ok?
 

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He's very nice! :main_yes: So long as you caught it soon enough, which I believe you did, everything should be just fine. Fingers Crossed!

You can leave him in there a bit. You can also take him out after about fifteen minutes and try the process again in four to six hours. Just make sure to keep his enclosure clean when he's in there between soaks.
 
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We've only had this happen with one male and it took 4 days for the issue to resolve itself. Here's what we did-
a) soak in a warm water/corn syrup mixture every few hours(sugar/water mix works too just make sure the sugar is desolved)
b) wipe the tiniest bit of antibiotic ointment on the hemipenes
c) keep the gecko's enclosure as sterile as possible and cover the bottom in moist paper towels to help keep the hemipenes from drying out

Good luck!
 

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ink_scorpion said:
He's very nice! :main_yes: So long as you caught it soon enough, which I believe you did, everything should be just fine. Fingers Crossed!
Crossing all my fat fingers.

ink_scorpion said:
You can leave him in there a bit. You can also take him out after about fifteen minutes and try the process again in four to six hours. Just make sure to keep his enclosure clean when he's in there between soaks.
I think I will leave him be for a while. I need to sleep because it's already 6a.m. in Kuala Lumpur. And he already piss and poo prior to the transfer. I know because he did all that on me while I was fooling around with his willy while trying to fix it. So, I will re-check maybe at about 10a.m. Well maybe 11a.m.++

Thanks again Maurice. Really appreciate it. :)
 

Azazel

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We've only had this happen with one male and it took 4 days for the issue to resolve itself. Here's what we did-
a) soak in a warm water/corn syrup mixture every few hours(sugar/water mix works too just make sure the sugar is desolved)
b) wipe the tiniest bit of antibiotic ointment on the hemipenes
c) keep the gecko's enclosure as sterile as possible and cover the bottom in moist paper towels to help keep the hemipenes from drying out

Good luck!

Noted Mel. Will try them methods out in a few hours. Appreciate the info. Thanks :)
 

Azazel

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I checked him at 11a.m. just now and the condition is still the same. One thing I noticed so far is that he is more relax in the water compared to when he was in his enclosure. At the moment, would it be a good idea to feed him?
 

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Just an update!

I don't really know what went right i.e. whether the constant soak in the sugary/saline solution or placing him with the damp paper towels or smearing his willy with some mild steroids or checking it often with some Q-tip or simply all of the combinations mentioned. But after 9 days of prolapse (as at 3rd March 09), the hemipenis retracted in front of my very eyes while I was cleaning it from scabs.

Below is a current picture of him:
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My heart just starting to beat again :p

Thanks guys.

Regards
-Azazel-
 

Sunrise Reptile

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:guitarist::drummer: Hooooooooooraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!! :drummer::guitarist:

I can't tell you how happy I am to hear that he pulled through the prolapse well. Congratulations!!!

My advice would be that you give him the rest of the season off. :main_yes:
 

Azazel

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Thanks Maurice. Could not have done it without your help. The others were very much helpful too. Thanks again.
 

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