Question about morphs

[cooter]

I see number attached to species ie Patternless 1.12? what does the number stand for? Also what would breeding a leusic patternless(female) with a patterless (male) be called? both are patternless!

 

[GeckoJunkie]

It has nothing to do with morphs, It is letting people know how many males and females. males.females.unknown

 

[herpencounter]

i think its

male.unknown.female

 

[Nigel4less]

No its Male.Female.Unsexed.and Eggs!

 

[cooter]

No its Male.Female.Unsexed.and Eggs!

If your right then mine would be: Patternless 1.1.0.1?
I have:
1 male
1 female
0 unknown
1 egg

 

[Stitch]

Also what would breeding a leusic patternless(female) with a patterless (male) be called? both are patternless!

Most people agree there are no true leucistic leopard geckos. When the patternless first arrived some thought it was leucistic, but after some debate I think most have dropped that part of the name. Patternless x patternless will get you patternless babies.

Some one correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[PaulSage]

"Leucistic" is the old school name for "Patternless". They're the same thing. Regardless of what you call them, if you breed two of them together, you'll get offspring that are the same morph as the parents (unless of course the parents are both carrying other recessive traits).

The decimal places denote gender. Males are listed first, then females, then unsexed (or unknown) specimens. I have never known someone to use decimals in reference to eggs, and I'm not sure why one would unless eggs are being sold. 1.3.2 would mean one male, three females, and two animals of unknown gender.

 

[herpencounter]

leucism
Leucism is a condition characterized by reduced pigmentation in animals.

Leucism is a general term for the phenotype resulting from defects in pigment cell differentiation and/or migration from the neural crest to skin, hair or feathers during development. This results in either the entire surface (if all pigment cells fail to develop) or patches of body surface (if only a subset are defective) having a lack of cells capable of making pigment.

Since all pigment cell-types differentiate from the same multipotent precursor cell-type, leucism can cause the reduction in all types of pigment. This is in contrast to albinism, for which leucism is often mistaken. Albinism results in the reduction of melanin production only, though the melanocyte (or melanophore) is still present. Thus in species that have other pigment cell-types, for example xanthophores, albinos will not be entirely white instead displaying a pale yellow colour.

More common than a complete absence of pigment cells is localized or incomplete hypopigmentation, resulting in irregular patches of white on an animal that otherwise has normal colouring and patterning. This partial leucism is known as a "pied" or "piebald" effect; and the ratio of white to normal-coloured skin can vary considerably not only between generations, but between different offspring from the same parents, and even between members of the same litter. This is notable in horses, the urban crow[1] and the ball python[2] but is also found in many other species. In contrast, albinism always affects the entire animal.

A further difference between albinism and leucism is in eye colour. Due to the lack of melanin production in both the retinal pigmented epithelium (RPE) and iris, albinos typically have red eyes due to the underlying blood vessels showing through. In contrast, leucistic animals have normally coloured eyes. This is because the melanocytes of the RPE are not derived from the neural crest, instead an outpouching of the neural tube generates the optic cup which, in turn, forms the retina. As these cells are from an independent developmental origin, they are typically unaffected by the genetic cause of leucism.

BLIZARD

Decide for yourself.

 

[cooter]

Thanks all!! I have been told by others that two patternless bred together would give me patternless Het is that corect?

 

[Kotsay1414]

Thanks all!! I have been told by others that two patternless bred together would give me patternless Het is that corect?

Patternless x Patternless = Patternless

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I have never known someone to use decimals in reference to eggs, and I'm not sure why one would unless eggs are being sold.

I think they mean to count eggs in this manner, just for the sake of saying "I have this many eggs incubating". Like, maybe for the "list your animals" thread, or something.

Example: I have 1.2.3.8 Raptors, or 1.3.2.2 Super Snows :main_laugh:

No biggie, but yes Paul is correct, that is not normally used.

 

[Stitch]

Thanks all!! I have been told by others that two patternless bred together would give me patternless Het is that corect?

If both parents are expressing the patternless genes, then all of the babies will be patternless.

This is for "recessive traits":
If you take a Patternless gecko and breed it to a Normal gecko, then all of the babies will be het for the Patternless gene. Het means the gecko only carries one "allele" for the specific trait. But you won't be able to tell visually, you would have to breed it to another gecko known to carry those genes to prove it out. A gecko visually expressing a desired trait is carrying two or both alleles and that is why you can see it. When people say 50% het that means you have a 50/50 chance of that gecko carrying the desired trait (allele).

I probably went too far into that.

 

[PaulSage]

I think they mean to count eggs in this manner, just for the sake of saying "I have this many eggs incubating". Like, maybe for the "list your animals" thread, or something.

Example: I have 1.2.3.8 Raptors, or 1.3.2.2 Super Snows :main_laugh:

No biggie, but yes Paul is correct, that is not normally used.

oh. lol Counting eggs before they hatch is bad luck. :main_no:

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I agree. Have`nt you guys ever heard "do not count your geckos before they hatch"?