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[Nahph1]

If you cross a mack snow het.eclipse het.tremper X tangerine het.eclipse het.tremper would the babies that are not eclipse or tremper be 50%het. for both traits? I tried genetics wizard but got more confused.(too many possibilities) Any help would be great. Thanks.

 

[boywonder]

yes, 50% chance of being eclipse and a completely different 50% chance of being het tremper, 50% will also be macks

 

[godzillizard]

There is no such thing as a 'het' Eclipse, but if they came from lines that have produced solid eyed animals--you might possibly get lucky

 

[Halley]

If you cross a mack snow het.eclipse het.tremper X tangerine het.eclipse het.tremper

Offspring would be

50% Mack Snow (with tang influence) 66% het Eclipse, 66% het Tremper

50% Normal (with tang influence) 66% het Eclipse, 66% het Tremper

This is how percentages work.

Het x Het
Offspring
75% Normal, 66% chance of being het
25% Visual

Het x Visual
Offspring
50% Normal, 100%
50% Visual

Visual x Visual
Offspring
100% Visual

Visual x WT
Offspring
100%, Normal, 100% het

Het x WT
Offspring
100% Normal, 50% het

There is no such thing as a 'het' Eclipse, but if they came from lines that have produced solid eyed animals--you might possibly get lucky

Technically the eclipse eye is believed to be recessive; however it is just not simple recessive. This subject actually gets pretty in-depth. You can actually create your own eclipse eye unlike the other genes i.e.tremper albino, patternless, enigma. But for now, if I where new to leopard geckos, and genetic, I would treat the eclipse eye as recessive for simplicity sake, as it acts recessive the majority of the time.

 

[Nahph1]

Thanks everyone for your responses. The eclipse part is more complex than I thought. I've hatched 1 clutch from this pairing so far, and one baby appears to be mack snow with solid black eyes and irregular pattern. The second one appears to be mack snow with a normal pattern and regular non albino eyes. I guess I'll have to wait for a couple more to hatch. Here's pics, the second one looks to still have solid eyes.

 

[paulnj]

Somebody prove to me there is no such thing as het eclipse If so, nearly every breeder working with that gene is a liar..... who shall we call out first?
Aptor het what?
enigma het what?
tremper het what?
het radar?


ut oh....... :main_laugh:

 

[Halley]

Those are pretty cool hatchlings; both are 66% het for both eclipse, and tremper albino. I’m really diggin’ the pattern on the second hatchling.

 

[fallen_angel]

They are definitely very interesting :main_yes:

 

[godzillizard]

Somebody prove to me there is no such thing as het eclipse If so, nearly every breeder working with that gene is a liar..... who shall we call out first?

All I'm saying is that it is not as simple as most would assume--most folks hear recessive and think simple recessives--like the "albino" strains, patternless and blizzard. They assume it is inherited the same way. But in my experience, the eye trait does not behave that simply. I'm not calling anyone a liar! But we do 'lamen-ize' the terminology to try and simplify things, but all it does is add to the confusion. My conscience tells me; instead of labeling an animal a "het" Raptor, I feel I should just divulge that it was produced by a Raptor. But I over-think everything...

 

[paulnj]

Well tremper het raptor X raptor DEFINATELY doesn't give 1/2 eclipse tremper animals. my findings are WAY less with a group of hybino het raptor X raptor females. So I Still say it's "het eclipse" , but definately doesn't line up geneticly like a true recessive should. I would say the patterning genes play are part in it, so we are actually dealing with double het stripe genes in reality.

How's that for playing both ends from the middle

 

[godzillizard]

Paul--are you inbetween things and only going half way again? :main_laugh:

 

[paulnj]

yup... between long days of work in the high 90's and cleaning/ feeding a mass quanity of geckos..... hahaha

headache from the heat and multitasking doesn't help either.