RAPTORs Oh Yeah!

[trizzypballr]

alright guys here's one to get everyone going. the perfect proof to if it is possible to have het raptors or not. I've read in other threads people saying that you can't produce raptors by breeding 2 het raptors together. well here's the challenge. what happens when you breed the DIABLO BLANCO to itself? oh yeah boys, will we prove that there is no such thing as a het raptor, or will we prove that tangerine isn't realy line bread? either way our thoughts on something will change. Lets hear what everyone thinks, I'm gonna try to get the big dog, the man himself Ron Tremper to shine some light on things for us

 

[BalloonzForU]

You could get Raptors from a Diablo Blanco x Raptor pairing. The Blizzard in the Diablo just physically hides the linebred traights.

However you wouldn't get a Raptor from a Diablo x Diablo, you'd get all Diablos.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Using the "Diablo Blanco" wouldn't be the way to prove RAPTOR recessive. The Blizzard involved with the "Diablo Blanco" would be dominant over the "Patternless" and Tangerine used in RAPTOR.

I also don't recall anyone saying that you can't produce RAPTORs from "hets." What was said however was that when looking at the break down of RAPTOR, "het" technically is inaccurate when used when paired with RAPTOR because of the selectively bred mutations involved with the trade name (IE Tangerine).

To prove out RAPTOR as a whole recessive, RAPTOR x RAPTOR must produce only RAPTORS. RAPTOR x "het" should produce 50% RAPTOR & "het" x "het" should produce 25%.

Ron has never participated on forums and I'd be very surprised if he would post here now. In my opinion, he does not seem to grasp genetics terminology as he did release the Giants & RAPTORS before their genetic inheritability was proven.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I have two RAPTOR offspring that were produced by two possible het RAPTORs!!! Yeah, baby!

 

[nwheat]

The problem with using the term "RAPTOR het" is that there are so many traits involved. It appears that the eclipse eye trait is recessive, so a gecko can be het for eclipse and het for albino. That part is very straightforward. The complicated part is that "patternless" trait. I don't think a gecko can be predictably "het" for that.

It is my opinion that we need to refer to the eye trait separately as RAPTORs are outcrossed. My hets are the result of RAPTOR x Tangerine. I wanted access to that eye trait, which I now have, but I have no idea what kind of pattern to expect on my offspring.

edit: Marcia, that little girl you had at the show is just beautiful, too!

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Yea I have been wondering myself where they had been hearing these things.

I had (sold one) 2 RAPTORs, that I hatched from APTOR X Reverse Stripe Albino. According to Ron, there was only a "slight chance ANY of the "Aptors" released were "het" for RAPTOR", an my Reverse Stripe Albino was "definately not" a het.

This shows you how much Ron Tremper knows. :main_thumbsdown:

Oh and by the way, when you start making people offers for their animals, at least have the courtesy to WRITE THEM BACK!! Not that I will sell a 260 dollar animal for $175, but you know I had asked you specifically what you meant. The offer was rediculously low if I understood it correctly, I just wanted you to clarify it for me. But... Oh well.

Now I will not even so much as answer someone like that! If that is the way you like to be treated, then congrats.

 

[Kangas Kritters]

Het to Het=RAPTOR

I produced three RAPTORS this season from het to het pairings. Marcia has one of them now (hopefully it turned out to be a male?).

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

BUSTED

Oh, crap.

alright guys here's one to get everyone going.

I soooo missed that part. Say hello to the troll everyone! LOL

Perhaps why he/she is making people offers then not responding to their messages?

I dunno for sure, but I just found out Im not the only one they have been toying with.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I had (sold one) 2 RAPTORs, that I hatched from APTOR X Reverse Stripe Albino. According to Ron, there was only a "slight chance ANY of the "Aptors" released were "het" for RAPTOR", an my Reverse Stripe Albino was "definately not" a het.

This I find intriguing. The Reverse Stripe Albino is unrelated to any RAPTOR lines and produced RAPTOR offspring? That screams Eclipse not being recessive.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

You have the wrong idea.

No she was only a "het APTOR", and the male was only an "Aptor". This was before most people even had heard of the red eyed version.

I was let in on the fact that red and black eyes had emerged from the "Aptor" project, and figured it out for myself that I was buying possible hets at the very least. lol

Of course I was floored, and hurried along with my purchase. Even named one "Raptor"(the APTOR).:main_cool3:

I did a little check with Ron and asked him, he only said there was a "slight chance" about the male, but the female was "only het APTOR".

Hatching my Raptors from them in early 05`(with the female being "non-het"), and the fact people who bought pairs, also hatched them, made me very suspicious of the genetics, and is why I tried so darn hard to learn so much, and here we are today.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Stephanie, I actually think it has allready been proven non-recessive along with the "Patternless". If anything just for the simple fact Alberto and I bothmade "het" RAPTORs, from breeding Red Stripes, to older lines of Reverse Stripe Albino? I dont know.

The offspring from them work just as if they were double het for both "Patternless" and "Eclipse".

Leopard Geckos really are aliens, arent they? :main_laugh:

"SHUTUP STUPID HUMANS, AND TAKE ME TO YOUR MEALWORMS" LOL

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

No she was only a "het APTOR", and the male was only an "Aptor". This was before most people even had heard of the red eyed version.

Ahh, I see. You didn't mention that she was "het" APTOR.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Sorry `bout that.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I produced three RAPTORS this season from het to het pairings. Marcia has one of them now (hopefully it turned out to be a male?)

Well Charlton, it looks like it's gonna be a "she". The little one I produced has one ruby eye and one snake-eye, and both of her parents were "possible" hets.

 

[LeosForLess]

This is why we need a raptor chat

 

[trizzypballr]

from Ron Tremper:

If you breed a red-eyed raptor to any other gecko morph
then the young carry the genes for being patternless and red-eyed and
albino.
Color is not an issue.
The Diablo Blanco is not het for raptor. It is a pure result
of the red-eyes combining with the white body color.
True, some DBs without all red eyes would be het for raptor
but you would have to test breed them.
To sum up your main question, raptor hets exisit and when bred
together produce more raptors.
Regards,
Ron........


----- Original Message -----
From: trizzypballr
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:46 AM
Subject: WWW - Raptors


>I was hoping that you could shine alittle light on a question a few of
my
>buddies and I had. we have been having a discussion on if het RAPTORs
are
>truly het raptors because of the fact that raptors have line bread
>qualities like being tangerine and we have seen non tangerines
claiming to
>be het raptor. thinking about it, the perfect proof would be your
diablo
>blanco project. they would be het raptor, question is do you actully
get
>raptors when you breed them together? cool thing about it is the fact
that
>ur diablo blanco project is an awesome proof to either the fact that
there
>is no such thing as het raptor, or that tangerine isn't nessessarily
line
>bread. thanks, and I'm anctously awaiting your reply
>

 

[marula]

is nice to know about this distinction about the raptor trasmission and the diablo blanco red eyes...

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Trizzyp, We allready knew this. You seem a bit confused on why we are saying such things, and what they actually mean.

Noone here said we dont think it is a recessive trait because of there being linebred traits involved. You can mix linebred traits and recessives without any problem. Thats how we get Tangerine Albinos.

Noone said color has anything to do with it, that is where you misunderstood.

Also just because it does not work as recessive trait, and noone wants to call it a Het does not mean its not inheritable. It just means its not correct to say the word "het" if its not one only a few types of inheritance. There are other types, and it does seem to be genetic. Noone said it wasnt genetic, or passed on, it just probably is not recessive.

SARCASM: Heck you can call it anything you want, it will still pass on almost as if it were a "true het" for an actual recessive trait. Noone will really know the difference...:main_rolleyes: I swear.

 

[trizzypballr]

lol this is awesome. I only responded because i dont know much at all about the matter, i got you guys going because i wanted to learn All i know is that I purchased 1.2 hybinos and am told that they are het raptor, but the problem is they arnt actully tangerines, thats why im confused and got this thread fired up

 

[snared99]

THere are many levels of Tangerines. No the ones you have are not orange orange but they are not yellow either. I really not sure what your original question/s were now. Yes it is possible to have '"0Het RAPTOR" and that group u have has all the genetics to produce one. The tangerine is linebred and you must keep the best example back and put them into your breeding coloy to get better tangs. And het raptors do not have to be tangerine at all. Take eclipses het raptore for instance, or if SH het raptor(that are everywhere)
So I dont know if this clear and this you for you, but i hoped it helped. I would strongly suggest going to a site such as NERD or gekknodia that has a section on genetics and study up on these simple combos and then the more complex ones will make more sense.