RAPTORS

[Yveskevin]

ok so im just confused on the two pictures below. their both different leos, one is a juvy and the other is mature one. the seller said its a RAPTOR, but the tail seems weird to me. kinda looks like a sunglow with red eyes. lol. can anyone confirm if their legit RAPTORS?

also, how do you differentiate an APTOR from a sunglow?
they both have super hypo tangerine bodies with a tail that has brown markings (albino) and they're both not eclipse eyes. so how can you tell one from the other?

JUVY RAPTOR:


MATURE RAPTOR: (btw, the eyes are red snake eyes)


based from my understanding, here is what a real RAPTOR tail looks like, its similar to a tail from a murphy patternless:
(SNOW RAPTOR - burrowed from the internet)

 

[indyana]

I'd also love if someone more experienced could get into detail here. In an earlier discussion, someone brought up that RAPTORs are supposed to be be patternless stripe, but a lot of RAPTORs folks advertise have striping/spotting like the picture above. It seems like a true patternless stripe should not display any spotting OR any faint banding (the way a Super Hypo would). I would think residual banding would be an indication that the gecko is not displaying either stripe...

Based on what I've learned so far, the way to tell a Sunglow from a RAPTOR would be to look for faint residual banding and a carrot tail on the Sunglow...?

 

[DrCarrotTail]

Originally Raptors were tremper albbinos with the eclipse gene that were patternless because they had both stripe and reverse stripe traits. Today, almost all geckos that are eclipse and tremper albino are called Raptors regardless of what their body coloration looks like. Some folks feel that they all need to be patternless to be called a raptor, some don't. It's more or less a matter of opinion.

 

[Yveskevin]

Today, almost all geckos that are eclipse and tremper albino are called Raptors regardless of what their body coloration looks like.

so this means that the picture of the juvy and the mature leo above are both legit RAPTORS? in that case, a sunglow eclipse is a RAPTOR as well?

 

[acpart]

Despite the fact that people are selling geckos labeled as "banded raptors", I do feel strongly that at the very least, the RAPTOR should display striping (personally I wouldn't sell a gecko as "RAPTOR" unless it was born with very little to no markings at all, but not everyone feels that way). That would mean that a "sunglow" is originally a banded, non-eclipse gecko that hypos out and a RAPTOR is a striped (hopefully patternless stripe) geckos with eclipse eyes.

It comes down to the individual deciding what they consider "RAPTOR" and then only choosing the geckos that meet their definition if they truly want a raptor.

Aliza

 

[DrCarrotTail]

I agree with Aliza, in that I like to reserve the term Raptor (at least in my brain!) for geckos that resemble what Ron Tremper originally produced and personally don't really regard the hodgepodge of anything tremper and eclipse as a Raptor. I'm probably even guilty of calling them that as well...haha. People can use whatever name they want and raptor is way cooler sounding and easier to say than Tremper eclipse so most folks seem to go for that term.

 

[Phoenix1115]

I don't say RAPTOR unless they have the stripe genes. For example, I picked up at Tremper Eclipse Snow and that is what I label her as because she has bands, not stripes.

 

[indyana]

Thanks for all these great explanations. RAPTOR/RADAR labeling was really confusing me... also, the whole "het RAPTOR/RADAR" thing is a bit deceptive, but I can understand why people would do that for simplicity.

Getting very slightly off topic... is there a Rainwater version of this yet?

 

[Phoenix1115]

Getting very slightly off topic... is there a Rainwater version of this yet?

I believe that's the Typoon