Really dumb question but....

[Heather]

How do you make aptors and raptors?

 

[Thorgecko707]

Raptor is an eclipse Tremper patternless reverse stripe orange line. So you would need to combine all of those traits. Aptor is the same with no eclipse eye gene.

 

[LeopardShade]

You cannot necessarily "make" your own APTORs and RAPTORs. The original creator of the morphs, Ron Tremper, took several generations of line-bred geckos and bred them together before he got the desired appearance. Technically, you cannot call a gecko an APTOR or a RAPTOR without it being descended from the original bloodline. You cannot just make you own Albino Patternless Tangerine Orange geckos (w/ or w/o the Eclipse gene) and call them APTORs and RAPTORs, as they are not from the same original line.

But, as for the question how they were made, I believe it took many generations of line breeding Tangerine Patternless-Stripe Tremper Albinos to create the APTOR. Add in an Eclipse gene, and you've got a RAPTOR.

 

[Heather]

So I would need to breed an aptor to an aptor to produce aptors, correct?

 

[pelon87]

if the aptor are het eclipse yes

 

[Dimidiata]

No, if the aptors are both het eclipse youd end up with eclipse in the game and would get raptors.

 

[eyelids]

Red Stripe x Reverse Stripe = Patternless Stripe... Somehow the Eclipse gene popped out from there... It was ages ago, but this was confirmed by two separate breeders [Dan from Groovy Geckos and Alberto from A&M Gecko] when they both made home brewed 'Raptors' from the Red Stripe x Reverse Stripe cross... Tremper either knew this and didn't mention it for unknown reason or he breeds so many geckos he couldn't retrace their lineage... No offense intended just telling it like it is...

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

No, if the aptors are both het eclipse youd end up with eclipse in the game and would get raptors.

Any chance you can show me an APTOr that's not het Eclipse?

 

[Dimidiata]

ok let me get this straight, a Raptor is and aptor with eclipse eyes right? So since(i shouldnt have said If) they are Het eclipse then wouldnt the offspring show pheno for eclipse, making them Raptors? Or is there more steps in that line. The point i was trying to make was that the OP asked if the bred and Aptor to a Aptor to get Aptors(unless they ment raptors, but im not going to assume). The post after that said "If the aptors are het eclipse yes". But when you take 2 animals hetrozygous for the same thing to each other dont some of the offspring come out as Raptors, i suppose aptors can come out of it aswell.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

My point was, you'll never find a true APTOr that's not het Eclipse. I'm not saying that so much for your benefit (cause I can see you understand the point), as I am the person who asked the question. I realize you just chose a bad word, but I did think it important that Heather understand that. That's why I put the at the end.

 

[Dimidiata]

My point was, you'll never find a true APTOr that's not het Eclipse. I'm not saying that so much for your benefit (cause I can see you understand the point), as I am the person who asked the question. I realize you just chose a bad word, but I did think it important that Heather understand that. That's why I put the at the end.

Lol i was soooo confused XD.

But seriously if you take a Aptor to a Aptor you do get Some Raptors and Aptors right?

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Correct! If you breed two homozygous eclipse animals, you can get normal eyed animals. Not all will be eclipse-eyed. Odd for a recessive trait, but true. :main_yes:

 

[tiedxupxinxknots]

Correct! If you breed two homozygous eclipse animals, you can get normal eyed animals. Not all will be eclipse-eyed. Odd for a recessive trait, but true. :main_yes:

I think u ment to place heterozygous

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Nope ... I meant homozygous. :main_yes:

 

[tiedxupxinxknots]

Nope ... I meant homozygous. :main_yes:

But homozygous is an actual eclipse well speaking for the eclipse gene in this case n eclipse x eclipse = eclipse...

 

[kkigs]

I would question how rare it is to produce an Eclipse animal without at least some hint of snake-eyes.

I also disagree that an APTOR needs to be het for RAPTOR. The Eclipse gene manifested itself after the first APTORs were created. You can absolutely have an APTOR that is not heterozygous for Eclipse.

 

[Heather]

Wow and I thought ball genes were confusing!! Time to start doing some deeper research I guess

 

[Dimidiata]

Annnnnd im lost i love you guys

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

There are LOTS of posts here about these anomalies, but I'm not posting 50 links ... :main_rolleyes:

http://geckoforums.net/showpost.php?p=679749&postcount=1

@ kkigs ... Eclipse came from Reverse Stripe x Redstripe pairings, not APTOr pairings. And I stick to my previous statement of "a TRUE APTOr is het Eclipse".

 

[kkigs]

There are LOTS of posts here about these anomalies, but I'm not posting 50 links ... :main_rolleyes:

http://geckoforums.net/showpost.php?p=679749&postcount=1

@ kkigs ... Eclipse came from Reverse Stripe x Redstripe pairings, not APTOr pairings. And I stick to my previous statement of "a TRUE APTOr is het Eclipse".

I'm sure you're right.