really odd Leo poop

[Desdemona]

So, my Leo, who recently shed, dropped this oddity last night. Looks like maybe he was constipated. He has water access 24/7 in both a dish and wet hide, but maybe he isn't using either? Or do you think its something else.

Here is some photos:

 

[grboxa]

was this the first drop after his shed?, what did he eat?.

 

[Desdemona]

no, not his first. I know he ate his shed and I don't think he's ate a lot else, maybe a couple of mealworms, but not a large amount since he still has some left. He had 4 or 5 butterworms right before he shed. Some decent sized ones (though not huge)

 

[im faster]

this is regurgitated shed and a worm

 

[Desdemona]

Ok, that would make sense... since I thought that one "line" looked like a mealworm. Something to be concerned about or did he just over-stuff himself? I peaked in on him this morning and he was just snoozing, gave me a annoyed for waking him up, but wasn't listless or anything like that.

 

[reps4life]

So, my Leo, who recently shed, dropped this oddity last night. Looks like maybe he was constipated. He has water access 24/7 in both a dish and wet hide, but maybe he isn't using either? Or do you think its something else.

Here is some photos:

This looks defecated to me due to some parts of solid digested areas and the shape. The lack of urates leads me to believe he is dehydrated which is very common. There is undigested shed and some poorly digested food in the center. Butterwoms seem to be a bit acidic. I would probably stop feeding them for a few days and only feed one per feeding. I would suggest feeding insects with higher amounts of moisture.

 

[reps4life]

There was a case in a few young geckos bit a butterworm and the juices somewhat squirt on their face while chewing and it caused facial burn marks. Google it and you might run into the pictures. So the reason I am mentioning this is because the acid can cause the gut to flare up.

 

[reps4life]

I read about the case and saw the pictures in another website, but I think this is the same case.

http://www.pangeareptile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36085

 

[Dimidiata]

There was a case in a few young geckos bit a butterworm and the juices somewhat squirt on their face while chewing and it caused facial burn marks. Google it and you might run into the pictures. So the reason I am mentioning this is because the acid can cause the gut to flare up.

Kinda makes the name "butter" a bit ironic.

 

[reps4life]

Kinda makes the name "butter" a bit ironic.

gives you a butterface!

 

[Dimidiata]

im never eating butter again, not if itll burn my face lol. IMO that looks like a half digested deficate.

 

[Dimidiata]

uhg doubel post

 

[reps4life]

im never eating butter again, not if itll burn my face lol. IMO that looks like a half digested deficate.

Yes, The problem is it could have been caused by dehydration or the butterworms caused gastritis assuming the temps are on point.

 

[Dimidiata]

so can you adjust to fix both, stop feding the butterworms and make sure the leo has acess to water and a humid hide along with more moist insect feeders. Wont hurt to not eat the butterworms right?

 

[Desdemona]

I usually just give the Dragon butterworms so I can easily not give anymore to him. He was out and I had them so I gave him a few and he was all about them, which is why he had quite a few. I'll give him something different, I always have a variety so one is stuck with just X or starve. Hopefully his little belly will feel better soon! He has shed stuck on two of his toes so I see a little gecko sauna in his near future. Will hopefully take care of both problems.

 

[reps4life]

so can you adjust to fix both, stop feding the butterworms and make sure the leo has acess to water and a humid hide along with more moist insect feeders. Wont hurt to not eat the butterworms right?

Right, I just don't like to tell someone to stop feeding it completely because it's bad enough variety of insects we can get a hold of is limited and variety is important. I think the problem is the amount fed. That's why I would only suggest one per feeding. Sadly in some cases when the stomache becomes inflammed, it can cause dehydration and make him susceptable to a bacterial infection.

 

[Dimidiata]

...Yes sensei! (lord knows variaty on my side sucks. crickets and mealworms.)

 

[reps4life]

I usually just give the Dragon butterworms so I can easily not give anymore to him. He was out and I had them so I gave him a few and he was all about them, which is why he had quite a few. I'll give him something different, I always have a variety so one is stuck with just X or starve. Hopefully his little belly will feel better soon! He has shed stuck on two of his toes so I see a little gecko sauna in his near future. Will hopefully take care of both problems.

You might want to wait at least 2 days before feeding to give his stomache some time to calm down.

 

[Desdemona]

I order online so I can get silkworms, baby hornworms (those not often), reptiworms, etc. I always have dubai, mealies, and supers at home. I pretty much never do crickets though, hate them. What is considered the most moist feeder? (Is hopping not crickets, haha). If I give my bugs the water gel stuff will it make them "more moist,"? Generally I just give them carrots. Though I could grab some citrus, bit that might add acid to the bug bellies if I grab one that hasn't digested yet.

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[reps4life]

I order online so I can get silkworms, baby hornworms (those not often), reptiworms, etc. I always have dubai, mealies, and supers at home. I pretty much never do crickets though, hate them. What is considered the most moist feeder? (Is hopping not crickets, haha). If I give my bugs the water gel stuff will it make them "more moist,"? Generally I just give them carrots. Though I could grab some citrus, bit that might add acid to the bug bellies if I grab one that hasn't digested yet.

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Baby hornworms would be my first option for dehydration. Silkworms and reptiworms are good due to the ease of digestion. I would stay away from high protein foods like roaches for a while. Supers and mealies can be hard to digest. I prefer crickets:main_yes: over supers and mealies for several reasons. They eat more often and tend to drink a lot more. They are easier to digest. I prefer the younger crickets which have less chitin.

I have noticed using a water soaked paper towels verses water gel gives them more water which will then be passed on to your gecko. You will need to change the paper towel daily though. How I know it keeps them more hydrated? By squeezing them