Regarding Supers and Pinkies

[reps4life]

Bearded Dragons? Omnivorous. Not Herbivorous. God this thread is making my head explode. You people should really be a little more careful with your "advice". Especially if you are going to pass it off as fact.

http://www.rodentpro.com/qpage_articles_03.asp

I'm human, when dealing with so many species and feeling a bit stressed your mind can accidently let out the wrong word. I apologize and will correct it, but I would appreciate if you pointed it out in a nicer way:annoyed:

The rest still applies.

 

[Desdemona]

Thanks for the link. I completely missed the herbivore label I was focusing on the percent of protein. I need to read better. The link helps! I don't have enough reptiles to justify breeding my own pinkies. It is interesting that they go up in fat as they get older, I would have assumed the opposite effect. With the exception of the overweight mice of course.

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[sunshinegeckos]

Well, what I was trying to say it can be harmful in the long run due to the high protein and fat content. The consequences of feeding prey that is over their protein intake requirements does not show overnight. It causes internal problems which goes undiagnosed and will shorten their life span.
I feel it's unnecessary when you can get the same nutrition from insects. I have no problems with feeding rodents with large reptiles like a nile monitor who has a higher protein requirement. I will never tell a person what to do with their reptiles. I only gave my thoughts based on nutritional requirements.

I dont think its good on an ongoing basis but as a treat before breeding to off balance the probability of weight loss in females during laying I see no harm if they want to try a pinkie. I wont be doing it personally.

 

[reps4life]

Thanks for the link. I completely missed the herbivore label I was focusing on the percent of protein. I need to read better. The link helps! I don't have enough reptiles to justify breeding my own pinkies. It is interesting that they go up in fat as they get older, I would have assumed the opposite effect. With the exception of the overweight mice of course.

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An important detail just triggered my memory. As far as I know unlike mammals, reptiles do not have the enzyme lactase to process lactose. Since pinkies are full of milk and reptiles can't naturally process it wouldn't you think it's a bad idea? I am asking everyone btw. Just a thought, I know my stomache does not tolerate dairy well, lol

 

[Desdemona]

A thing to note about lactose... some claim that raw milk has the enzymes to digest. Though in pinkies its easy to tell if they have milk in their bellies or not and you could easily separate pinkes and let them digest for a hour or two. They have fast immune systems.

There is suppose to be a study going on or starting at Standford to study lactose intolerance and how it relates to raw vs pasteurized milk. Some humans can drink raw with no problems but can't drink pasteurized while some can do fermented milk (yogurts etc). So raw mouse milk "might" have enzymes in it. Though rather or not that has been studied I have no clue. Though if you wait till their bellies go dark than it will be less of an issue.

Human food is another "hobby" of mine. Though obviously not all... if any, human food notions will translate to reptiles. I use to be elbows deep in rodent pet keeping so I know a little bit about their nuances. Being able to tell rather or not your babies have eaten by site is great, especially if you have a mom who decided to pop out more than she has teats for, not all are organized mommies.

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[Wowoklol]

I'm human, when dealing with so many species and feeling a bit stressed your mind can accidently let out the wrong word. I apologize and will correct it, but I would appreciate if you pointed it out in a nicer way:annoyed:

The rest still applies.

Sorry.. It actually wasn't directed at you although I did correct the herbivore thing. Was more directed to some earlier posts.. About fat content. It just annoys me when someone seems so sure about something they obviously have no clue. Again, sorry!

 

[reps4life]

Sorry.. It actually wasn't directed at you although I did correct the herbivore thing. Was more directed to some earlier posts.. About fat content. It just annoys me when someone seems so sure about something they obviously have no clue. Again, sorry!

no problem. Just take a deep breath (woosa)

 

[NinjaDuo]

An important detail just triggered my memory. As far as I know unlike mammals, reptiles do not have the enzyme lactase to process lactose. Since pinkies are full of milk and reptiles can't naturally process it wouldn't you think it's a bad idea? I am asking everyone btw. Just a thought, I know my stomache does not tolerate dairy well, lol

Feeding pinkies is fine..... Just not as a staple diet.

 

[sunshinegeckos]

Sorry.. It actually wasn't directed at you although I did correct the herbivore thing. Was more directed to some earlier posts.. About fat content. It just annoys me when someone seems so sure about something they obviously have no clue. Again, sorry!

If that was directed at me saying some breeders feed one right before breeding season because of the fat content where was I wrong? Aren't they used to beef up the females so they dont become too skinny during the laying season or when a gecko has been on a hunger strike for too long? I have been given this advice by mutliple people. I guess I should have written more like how you shouldn't do it on a normal basis because it is fattier. Sometimes I just think people can read between the lines of what I write lol

 

[Desdemona]

Well according to previous posts the fat content of pinkies is about 17%, they have a much higher protein content. I don't know how geckos handle their nutrition, but in humans excess protein is turned into glucose and later, if not used, fat. If geckos do the same they could get fat off of excess pinkes causing a misunderstanding in the owners who are basing their info off of previous experience. "My gecko got fat on pinkies so pinkies must be full of fat."

A lot of people don't realize that body fat is caused by more than just fat. In some carbs will cause your body to make fat faster than eating actual fat. Its possible that geckos will turn protein into fat if feed more than needed.

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