Sexing my gargoyle

[Trunks]

Ok, I have one gargoyle gecko now, and I am thinking about getting one or two more. But, before I get any more, I need to know if the one I have is a male, because I don't want to get two males.

Anyway, I know how to sex them, and I'm pretty sure the one I have is a female, but I'm not really sure of myself yet. I was just wondering an approximate age/size that the sex would become obvious.

 

[Khrysty]

Some say 6 months, others say a year to be sure. I don't know, as I don't keep gargoyles, but I thought I'd help out since you don't have any answers yet.

I got the info from this thread on Geckos Unlimited:
http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...cl-cresteds/27791-sexing-gargoyle-geckos.html

 

[brian547]

i've seen them sexed as small as 10 g. a lot of people wait until 20-25 grams to be sure. i personally keep them singled until i decide to put them into a breeding group. im not sure if im allowed to post links to other forums... ill pm you a decent link i used to use.

 

[Haroldo]

Oh sexing gargoyles! The smallest I've ever identified a male was one at 7.4g. On the flipside, some animals I hatched out in 2006 were all over 30 grams when I sold them and close to 14 months. I only had a 10x loupe then and sold two "Female" gargoyles that were indeed males...they dropped bulges and pores became very visible a few months later. You also find females that have what I call "pulges" (swollen base that looks like hemipenes might be there, but are not) and a great set of pseudopores. Best thing you could get is a nice lighted 30x loupe. Makes sexing them, much more accurate...

 

[Chewbecca]

Sorry, not to hijack your thread, Trunks...

Oh sexing gargoyles! The smallest I've ever identified a male was one at 7.4g. On the flipside, some animals I hatched out in 2006 were all over 30 grams when I sold them and close to 14 months. I only had a 10x loupe then and sold two "Female" gargoyles that were indeed males...they dropped bulges and pores became very visible a few months later. You also find females that have what I call "pulges" (swollen base that looks like hemipenes might be there, but are not) and a great set of pseudopores. Best thing you could get is a nice lighted 30x loupe. Makes sexing them, much more accurate...

haroldo,
Here's my garg.
S/he's 6 grams (probably more, I have to weigh her tonight).
I decided to loupe her while I had her out for her cage cleaning the other night.
I know she's VERY tiny still, but this is what I got. She was completely unfired (which, unfired, she appears "ghost").

Think these are pseudo pores?

 

[Haroldo]

Rebecca-

Looks like that animal definitely has a few rows of "indented/dented" ventral pores, but can't get a good look of those femoral (thigh) "pores". My guess would be male, but can't be sure whether they are actually pitted or not in such a dark picture. (I "blast" the ventral area with light when I'm trying to sex young animals.)

I need to start keeping more precise records of incubation temperature with R. auriculatus eggs to see if there's a coloration with the presence of pseudopores in known females. Specifically, is there a "red zone" between the poles of temperature sex determination where females begin to get "male physical characteristics" like pulges. Time will tell...

 

[Trunks]

Thanks for the help with this so far guys. I'm still pretty sure it's a female. She has a bit of a pulge, but it's not really divided like a male's would be.

I'm still trying to backtrack to give myself a rough guess of how old she is. I've had her since Christmas, and I she was at the pet store for at least two months, so I'm thinking somewhere around nine months at least?

 

[Trunks]

Pangea Reptiles apparently went and changed their website's layout, and I just saw that they have some loupes for sale for $10 for sexing Cresteds and Gargoyles.

 

[Chewbecca]

That's the loupe I use.
But I didn't get it for $10.
They're on sale right now.
I think I paid $12 for mine.