She laid dented eggs??

[Lena]

Well, I just found my second round of eggs and they aren't looking good. Both are seriously dented! I know for a fact that they couldn't have been in her laybox for more than 6 or 7 hours, as I just checked it this morning..

The laybox substrate is moist, too. What could have caused this? Are they beyond repair at this point?

I tried the search function, before anyone says anything.. It's impossible to find an exact answer. :main_rolleyes:

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

I tried the search function, before anyone says anything.. It's impossible to find an exact answer. :main_rolleyes:

:main_laugh:

OK, if it's not the humidity, then maybe the eggs just aren't fertile? Or, is it possible that she's a bit stressed? Not too sure how otherwise this could happen.

 

[Lena]

I candled the eggs and they are pink. I don't see any reason why my female would be stressed, nothing has changed in her environment. She doesn't seem stressed, either.

 

[JordanAng420]

Is it possible it has something to do with her calcium intake? I know they need a lot to be able to form the shell while they're gravid...a lot of people say to place a damp paper towel over the eggs, and sometimes that helps them plump up. But I wouldn't give up until they started to smell.

 

[Lena]

She has access to calcium in a dish. I'll try the damp towel trick, though. Thanks.

 

[Lena]

EDIT: Woops. :x Wrong window.

 

[GeckoGathering]

LAY BOX MATERIAL?

Well, I just found my second round of eggs and they aren't looking good. Both are seriously dented! I know for a fact that they couldn't have been in her laybox for more than 6 or 7 hours, as I just checked it this morning..

The laybox substrate is moist, too. What could have caused this? Are they beyond repair at this point?

I tried the search function, before anyone says anything.. It's impossible to find an exact answer. :main_rolleyes:

What were they laid in and HOW moist?
Seriously dented probably not going to help filling them up
with water.......most likely lost needed ingredients but
what's it going to cost to try....too moist can soften a shell
and with the egg weight cause contents pulled from the bottom
showing denting,........
6 ,-- 7 hrs probably non fertile eggs...
did you watch breedings? How many times? Proven male?
Take care. HJ............PM me if you want
additional info on 2008, 100 % hatching method.

 

[Lena]

It was moist but not sopping wet bed-a-beast.

This particular female has bred with the male twice. This is the male and the female's first season, neither are proven. I observed copulation twice and she laid a fertile clutch before this one. The eggs candle pink.

Since using moist paper towel the eggs have plumped up a bit.. But much to my dismay, one of my OTHER eggs has begun to dent! These eggs are over 20 days into incubation.. I am very concerned.

 

[Lena]

Here is a picture of the eggs.
The two on the left were laid January 30th, the two on the right were laid on February 19th...

 

[GeckoGathering]

Denting

It was moist but not sopping wet bed-a-beast.

This particular female has bred with the male twice. This is the male and the female's first season, neither are proven. I observed copulation twice and she laid a fertile clutch before this one. The eggs candle pink.

Since using moist paper towel the eggs have plumped up a bit.. But much to my dismay, one of my OTHER eggs has begun to dent! These eggs are over 20 days into incubation.. I am very concerned.

And what would you be using in the Hatch Box?
Same thing?....Sorry I posted before your Photo. See Perlite..........Holes in lid?
Denting on Bottom too?

 

[Lena]

I use perlite in the hatch box.

EDIT: And my temperatures have been between 84-86 degrees. :main_robin:

 

[GeckoGathering]

Denting

I use perlite in the hatch box.

EDIT: And my temperatures have been between 84-86 degrees. :main_robin:

...Sorry I posted before your Photo. See Perlite..........Holes in lid?
Denting on Bottom too?

 

[Lena]

No holes in the lid.

Only the latest two have dents on the bottom.

 

[GeckoGathering]

Denting

No holes in the lid.

Only the latest two have dents on the bottom.

Don't keep the last two eggs with the first
two. Start the wet towel deal on first two right away.
Good luck. If the last two look like that on the bottom, pitch them.
Take care. HJ

 

[Lena]

Let me make sure I've got this right...

Separate the clutches and use the piece of wet paper towel on the first clutch (the two on the left)?

If the two on the right, the second clutch, have dents in their bottoms, throw them away?

EDIT:

Here's a little update..

Let's call the eggs A, B, C, and D - Left to right.

A is plump and beautiful, still, has not changed a bit.
B is SEVERELY dented now, top and bottom. I have put a damp piece of paper towel over it.
C and D do not have dented bottoms. I have put a damp piece of paper towel over them as well.

A, B and C, D have been separated.

 

[GeckoGathering]

Denting

Let's call the eggs A, B, C, and D - Left to right.
A is plump and beautiful, still, has not changed a bit.
B is SEVERELY dented now, top and bottom. I have put a damp piece of paper towel over it.
C and D do not have dented bottoms. I have put a damp piece of paper towel over them as well.
A, B and C, D have been separated.

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Sorry but maybe I don't read your photo of eggs correctly or your comment of :
No holes in the lid.
Only the latest two have dents on the bottom.

I'm assuming A and B are your first clucth laid. They were both fine
when you started this thread.
You had C and D laid and they caused the thread.
They were dented top and bottom.
You keep your clutches together so then you notice egg B is
dented both top and bottom. Egg A remains looking OK.
If this is all correct here is what I see:
and remember its an opinion(the cheapest commodity available)
But mine is based on a terrible 2007 season that made me
try to understand what made all the bad things happen to my eggs.
Or go out of my mind or get out of a HOBBY I really love.

***Please note, no offense to my method of talk is intended.
Here is what I'm seeing by your comments and the egg photo.
Something was different in the 2 clutches. I think if your
lay material was the same in both it could have been too wet
and the eggs were longer than 7 -- 8 hours in it.
Your first comment of " They were dented top and bottom "
and the color difference in the two clutches make me think
they sat in a wet mix, got soft shell, and had the
contents drawn out of them. Making the bottom dent and then
the top.(the order it would most likely take place
due to the weight of the egg)...........at that point if these
eggs lost enough makings for a gecko....they were no good even
if you got them puffed back up with water......................
But again whats it hurt to attempt it?..........................
Now as far as clutch 1 ...........I'm different than many.
I no longer put more than a clutch in the same hatch box.
I always discard the perlite when eggs have been in it.
I feel possible contamination from a bad egg is capable.
So I make an assumption.....................
If you really got
a good breeding????????? Batch 2 is contaminating the 1st two.
And the reason for all the question marks is I'm now a believer
that a more assurance of a good breeding happens after letting the pair breed until the female says "no more for you, til next season"........

2008 was great for my mind and interest in the hobby...............
My changes made 2008 100 % hatchings (25 for 25) I'm a Hobbyist.
This has been quite lengthy so I hope I haven't bored you with my strong opinions. My only intention is to try to help....because I certainly know the flustration from eggs going bad and having no answers.
Take care. Hj
PM me if I can help further.

 

[Lena]

Thanks H.J., you've been very helpful! I wish things weren't this rough for my first season..

And I can pretty much say for sure that the laybox substrate was not ever more than a bit moist.

a good breeding happens after letting the pair breed until the female says "no more for you, til next season"........

Actually, I did stop the breedings when the female rejected him.

 

[lillith]

Last year was my first season.
I got 3 sets of what I thought were fertile eggs, and I had denting issues too.

I pipped the first two sets when they turned more-yellow-than yellow (about 4 weeks in the hovabator), just to be sure I hadn't had anything that might have been salvagable. I'm thinking I made the first set too wet, and the second too dry. On the third set, I didn't find them until about 8-10 hours after they were laid (after I got home from work). These were already dented and slightly dried when I found them, and led me to make my first inquiries on this site. I found out about the paper towel method that way, and the eggs looked better for a bit, but then collapsed after about 3 weeks. I was heartbroken at this point, thinking I'd never make a good breeder, I should just quit putting my geckos and myself through all of it. Upon pipping those, I found that the proteins had denatured (they looked like they'd been boiled - white and solid). One was completely infertile, and the other had one little vein that had maybe 2-3 days worth of growth before it stopped. Yeah... that sucked... but it also assured me that the first sets were infertile and I wasn't crazy.

My last two sets were fertile and I now have four baby hypo tangerines.
For me it was just an experiential thing, figuring out exactly what the right moisture level looks like and feels like. Take it easy on yourself and your geckos. You'll do fine.

The other thoughts posted are good ideas too. I wish you the best luck, and if these eggs turn out to not make it, try again. Perhaps try dusting your feeders more often, just to be sure.

Maybe I'm just a crazy hippie, but I send loving thoughts to my eggs and talk to them like I do my plants. Couldn't hurt, right?

 

[Lena]

Thank you for your kind words, Lillith. I feel like I've had a death in my collection with the collapsing of one of my first two eggs. I hope it pulls through.

 

[Lena]

Egg B has become even more severely dented, top and bottom.. I'm getting real worried.. Anyone have suggestions?

If there's no doubt at this point that it's a bad egg, I'd like to know.. I'm kind of curious and would like to cut it open. :x Is that morbid?