Sleeping a lot outside of hide?

[gothra]

Dog Shrink, having kept one leo for several months doesn't make you know everything. As I mentioned in another thread, everyone does things differently. You really need to spend the time to accumulate experience to figure out what's best for your own leo. Temperauture is one thing, how about humidity, type of substrate, location of hides, size of tank...etc. They all come in one package. You can't just ignore everything and tell someone they should lower their temperature to match YOUR ideal temp. Your Eros had shedding problems. You ever considered humidity issues? You mentioned your pin-up board in your room crumbles within 2 years, that sounds like you have very low relative humidity. Perhaps with higher humidity, Eros can still shed well with an upper warm spot of 95/96? How about supplements? I know you recently switched to Repashy. Did you just made the switch one day or did you switch over gradually? Sometimes their body needs time to get use to a new supplement - this could also have something to do with the armpit bubbles you discovered on Eros a while ago. I'm typing all this just to show that there are a lot of variables in husbandry. So there really is no point to go around telling people its better to limit their leos at lower temps because not all leos can thermoregulate.

 

[roger]

A degree or 2 was not my idea of thermoregulating tho. But you're right it is to some degree regulating. I just assumed it would be a more obvious thing like going to an entirely different part of the tank that offered a more hospitable temperature.

a degree or 2 is thermoregulating IMO.So your leo does in fact thermoregulate then correct and please dont tell me no because your post stated otherwise.

 

[roger]

Dog Shrink, having kept one leo for several months doesn't make you know everything. As I mentioned in another thread, everyone does things differently. You really need to spend the time to accumulate experience to figure out what's best for your own leo. Temperauture is one thing, how about humidity, type of substrate, location of hides, size of tank...etc. They all come in one package. You can't just ignore everything and tell someone they should lower their temperature to match YOUR ideal temp. Your Eros had shedding problems. You ever considered humidity issues? You mentioned your pin-up board in your room crumbles within 2 years, that sounds like you have very low relative humidity. Perhaps with higher humidity, Eros can still shed well with an upper warm spot of 95/96? How about supplements? I know you recently switched to Repashy. Did you just made the switch one day or did you switch over gradually? Sometimes their body needs time to get use to a new supplement - this could also have something to do with the armpit bubbles you discovered on Eros a while ago. I'm typing all this just to show that there are a lot of variables in husbandry. So there really is no point to go around telling people its better to limit their leos at lower temps because not all leos can thermoregulate.

++1:main_thumbsup:

 

[Dog Shrink]

http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=69992 post 3.

I know there are many aspects of husbandry required to make a healthy happe leo, and I would never discount any of that. Of course humidity, substrait, temps, all that needs to be tanken into consideration when trying to figure out why your leo is acting the way it is. What I personally have noticed more often than not is most of the questions that are asked revolve around issues that could be either heat based or humitidy based which are co-dependant factors. If you don't mist enough your tank could be dry because of simple lack of moisture and not temps, but you'd likely have shedding issues with your leo, which Beast is not, which then leads me to think, he mists fine, has a moist hide yet his leo (who should prefer to hide like most leos do) is sitting outside his hide, that makes me think something is driving him away from that spot, or he's serisouly going agasint genetic programming because he is so comfortable or laid back. The only way to test that theory is to adjust and modify your temps a bit (while still maintaining all other proper husbandry) to see if your leo acts any differently. I'm not saying limit his high end temps to 88, I'm saying try a high end range from around 88-92 (since I know how Beast's equipment works), and adjust up or down from there based upon the leos reactions.

When I started getting into shedding issues I started doing a lot of research on the other components of my leo such as his natural habitat, and I found that looking at weather maps of Afghanistan really helped in understanding my leo's heat/mositure needs a lot more than trying to make heads or tails of conflicting info given from a broad array of people. It certainly made me better equipped to process that info from other people to deduce what was the most logical direction to go. I would suggest to others in a similar situation, when questioning your leo's heat/moisture requirements, to do the same. Here's a couple of useful links imo.

http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=69992

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/vacationplanner/vacationclimatology/monthly/AFXX0003

http://www.eldoradocountyweather.com/climate/afghanistan/Kandahar.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Afghanistan

Well I hope some of this helps.

 

[roger]

I think we can agree its up to the owner to figure out what works best for his leo in regards to temps.We can debate this till the cows come home.Although u can do years of research and do all the the theoretical studies to your hearts content I would much rather learn from breeders on this site who have had practical and hands on experience over the yrs than from someone who has very limited practical experience and who does a ton of research.

 

[gothra]

Um, whatever. Its really funny what you heard or researched over several months is always the correct theory; and somehow other people's experiences are like garbage. And I'm not just referring to this thread; I've seen quite a few other posts where you quoted others and said you disagree. You know what, you are so certain that you have the right answer now; but when you look back a few months or years later, you may find things different to what you thought.

Here is a quote by you taken from the link you provided (before Ray replied):
Warmer temps brighter colors and yes it will change if you change the temps in the tank. I'm not sure why you want to lower the temps tho. A good range imo is between 93-98 degrees. I don't back mind off now until they get around 100 degrees.

Look how certain you were when you told the OP about higher temps - you won't back off till its 100F; and now you swear by 88-92F. What I'm getting at is, you have an opinion based on what you experienced at that point in time. Other people have their valued experiences too; so why do you always have to have the last word to prove that you are more correct? Like in this thread, you said 88-92, roger said no problem to higher warm spots because they thermoregulate. There are 2 pieces of information and why can't we just leave the OP to decide which is better for his/her gecko? I can't see why you need to argue, even pulling the card of "not all leos can thermoregulate" in order to back up your claim.

Geez, I don't even know why I'm typing so long. I've said what I'd wanted to say. That's all. Have a nice day.

 

[gothra]

ncbeast, I'm sorry this thread has taken off track. With regard to your original question, having a general warm temp of 88-92 is fine; since your gecko has been doing well all along. If you think the temps inside the hide is getting too hot, then I think its better to move the hide further out to the edge of the UTH. Its usually a bit cooler there. Turning the thermostat lower than 90 is usually not recommended.

 

[ncbeast]

Wow, sorry about all of this. Just an update, I tried lower and higher temps and there was no change so I went back to the 88-92 and the next day he started going in his hot hide. Next day (yesterday) he was totally white so I placed him in the moist hot hide(it's new and he is not used to it yet). He stayed in there an hour or so and then went over to his cool hide. Next time I saw him in the cool hide he was sheding. Today I have seen him in all of the hides through out the day including the moist hot hide by himself. Shed was good and he seems back to normal.

Guess the temps really had nothing to do with it. Maybe he just acts weird right before he sheds. I am still learning and getting to know him.

Sorry for all of the rukus but appreciate all of the help.

 

[Dog Shrink]

Glad to hear he is doing well... that's all that really matters.

 

[roger]

Wow, sorry about all of this. Just an update, I tried lower and higher temps and there was no change so I went back to the 88-92 and the next day he started going in his hot hide. Next day (yesterday) he was totally white so I placed him in the moist hot hide(it's new and he is not used to it yet). He stayed in there an hour or so and then went over to his cool hide. Next time I saw him in the cool hide he was sheding. Today I have seen him in all of the hides through out the day including the moist hot hide by himself. Shed was good and he seems back to normal.

Guess the temps really had nothing to do with it. Maybe he just acts weird right before he sheds. I am still learning and getting to know him.

Sorry for all of the rukus but appreciate all of the help.

There is no rukus LOL.There are different opinions on different subjects.The nice thing about this forum is also about debating and challenging each other in a good way.Myself , Dog shrink and gothra have one thing in common though and that is we all have a passion for our leopard geckos.We are all here to learn including myself.There is no need to apologize.Im glad to see your leo is doing better

 

[gothra]

Haha, yea. Having some debate is actually a good thing, believe it or not. When I have a question, I'd rather have a bunch of people stuff me with info! Glad to hear your leo is back to his normal self now.