Slurry Success Stories?

[Lyxie]

Hello, everyone.
I'm having severe anxiety with my nearly four year old male Leo, Schnee. He's had problems with shedding his eyes and toes throughout the dry winter. I have taken him to the vet several times in the last few months, 3-4 times in the last month alone. My vet injects him with fluids pretty much every time we go, and basically he thinks it's just malnourishment caused by his shedding problems (eyes and possibly causing build up/sores in his mouth). He doesn't think he has an infection or parasites or anything, just worn down from weeks of not eating right.

Anyway, this is another desperate attempt to ease my anxieties, as I've shed many tears worrying he will die.

Does anyone have any success stories with sickly leos and Golden Gate's Slurry? I think I will do the slurry regardless of people responding or not... it's just a way to try to ease my anxieties and have hope that my baby will be okay.

Thanks so much,
Lyxie

 

[fl_orchidslave]

I've used it numerous times in rehabbing sick leos, even to jump start one that went off food because she wanted a boyfriend. It works! Don't try substituting any ingredients, its perfect as is and provides optimal nutrition. The pet food is Rx available only at vets offices. My vet approves of the recipe too.

Since you have had ongoing issues, how about filling out the sticky at the top of this forum section so we can see if there is anything that can be corrected with husbandry to put an end to these troubles.

 

[Lyxie]

About your leo:
- Sex Male
- Age & Weight Nearly 4 years old, since he's been to the vet so much lately, I haven't personally been weighing him. The last I weighed him was probably a few months ago and he was 60 grams. I think the most recent weight the vet has told me has been 25 grams.
- How long have you owned your leo Nearly 4 years
- Where was he/she obtained (ex. Pet store, breeder, wild caught, friend) vmsherp.com

A) Health/History
- How often do you handle your leo Once a week
- Is your leo acting any different today? If so how does he/she normally act which differs from now. In the past week he has had a steady decline. Prior to that he was having steady problems with shedding, getting shed stuck in his eyes and on his toes. He was perscribed an ointment for his eyes which seemed to clear it up a lot. He didn't lose interest in food, really. He would nip at food but not eat it; as if his mouth was hurting. I told the vet, and he thinks it's a shed build up. Last week when we were at the vet, he gave Schnee fluids as well as vitamin A and D. he told me to stop using the ointment, that the eyes might clear up because of the A and D. They didn't clear up, they seemed worse over the week... so he didn't tell me to use it again, but I used it at my own discretion today (we were at the vet this morning). He has been staying in his moist hide all week since his vitamin shot.
- Has he/she had any problems in the past, if so please describe.
B) Fecals - Not that I can remember. As of now he's not pooping because he hasn't eaten.
- Describe (look any different than normal)
- When was the last time he/she went A week + ago
C) Problem
- Please briefly descrive the problem and how long it has been going on
I think I've described above.

Housing:
A) Enclosure
- Size 20 Gallon long
- Type (ex. glass tank) glass tank
- Type of substrate vinyl shelf liner
- Hides, how many, what kind 1 warm, 1 cool, 1 moist
B) Heating
- Heat source UTH
- Cage temps (hot side, cool side) Because of the season change I am having trouble stabilizing his temperature. This morning it was 91, now it is 87 on the hot side. 70-75 on the cool side.
- Method of regulating heat source Thermometer
- What are you using to measure your temps Digital probe
- Do you have any lights (describe) No.
C) Cage mates
- How many (males, females) None
- Describe health, or previous problems N/A

Describe Diet:
A) Typical diet
- What you're feeding (how often, how much) As of now, I'm not offering anything, he won't open his eyes.
- How are you feeding (hand fed, left in dish, ect)
B) Supplements (describe how often)
- What vitamin/minerals are you using (list brands)
- What are you gut loading food with

Also, I don't have all of the ingredients. And my vet isn't open over the weekend. do you think it's okay if I make do with what I have?

 

[sausage]

i have used it many times but not the golden gate recpie, i adapted it slightly as i personly wouldnt feed my geckos some of the ingredients it has. but it does work none the less

 

[Lyxie]

Thanks for the replies!

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

i personly wouldnt feed my geckos some of the ingredients it has.

Can you tell me what ingredients you wouldn't feed your geckos, and why? Thanks!

I will share MY success stories with the Golden Gate Geckos slurry by telling you what happened and how I created the slurry...

Many years ago, I started having my geckos go off food and waste away. I went to several different vets, and paid a tremendous amount of money for fecal and lab tests only to have NO results. When my geckos started dying, I had several necropsies performed only to have a diagnosis of hepatic lipidosis, or fatty liver disease. (Geckos who are starving mobilize all their stored fat reserves, and the liver cannot process that much fat in the bloodstream). My geckos did NOT have crypto, parasaites, bacterial infections, or anything else that would cause them to become anorexic and waste away.

I consulted with Dr. Roger Klingenberg, the author of "Understanding Reptile Parasites". I spent days at UC Davis Veterinary School's teaching hospital, and thousands of dollars to try to find out what was killing my geckos. I had 24 geckos that were afflicted, and lost 11 of them. I was in such a state of despair that I was under medical care myself as a result.

It wasn't until I contacted Dr. Fredrick L. Frye (Google his name...) who is the world's most renowned reptile pathologist, and author of most of the reptile veterinary textbooks, that I got my answer. He had me ship him one of my sick geckos that was on death's door, and he performed the 7th and most thorough post mortem examination of all I had done himself. When I got the results, he had me ship him a quantity of the feeders I used straight from the supplier.

It turned out that my geckos were being poisoned from the crickets I was feeding them. The crickets were laden with mycotoxins from feeding on moldy chicken mash from the supplier. Sub-human grade corn products contain aflatoxins, and if allowed to get wet and grow mold, produces a highly toxic poison that the crickets are immune to, but the chronic ingestion of these cricket by my geckos built up this toxin in their bodies, which ultimately caused their livers to fail.

By this time, I had lost 17 geckos and had another 13 that were very sick. I had to get some kind of nourishment into them! I tried baby food meat and squash, pedialite and Ensure, and even mashed up mealworms into a paste to feed them. I used Milk Thistle, which is a herbal liver purifier. Through trial-and-error, I came up with my slurry. I was able to completely rehabilitate ALL of the rest of my sick geckos on the slurry!

I started recommending the slurry to others who were also dealing with the same poisoning (got their crickets from the same source), and ALL of their geckos, and even people with poisoned sugar-gliders had tremendous success bringing their animals back from certain death. Now, UC Davis, Texas A&M, The University of Guelph, Ontario and MANY veterinarians across the continent recommend this life-saving slurry for convalescing geckos who are off food an being treated for a cross section of infections.

Anyway, the formula works. I did not have the same positive results with variations of this recipe. The slurry will not cure anything, but will provide nourishment for starving geckos.If any of you would like me to list the ingredients, and state 'why' they are used, I will be happy to.

 

[herf]

Yes,please list the ingredients..

would you mind telling us/me where you get you're feeders now?

Found it on you're website.very interesting!

 

[Lyxie]

Thanks so much for the reply! I'm grateful to hear your story. It definitely brings me hope.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

The Golden Gate Geckos slurry recipe can be found on the "INFO" page of my website:
http://www.goldengategeckos.com/info.html

I will list the ingredients and give information on each one:

1 small can Hill's A/D pet food This is a pasteurized, high calorie, high protein meat-based pet food designed for carnivores that need to gain weight.

1 jar baby food squash Although leopard geckos do not usually eat vegetation, the insects they eat do. Squash is an excellent source of carbohydrates. It also 'binds' in the intestines, meaning it keeps the food in the GI system longer to optimize the absorption of nutrients.


¼ cup Ensure (not chocolate) Ensure is a non-dairy (most reptiles are lactose intolerant) vitamin and mineral supplement.

¼ cup Pedialite Pedialite provides electrolytes such as sodium, potassium, chloride, and bicarbonate which are necessary for cell and organ functions. Dehydration is common with geckos that are off food or have diarrhea, and can cause weak muscles and even kidney failure.

Contents of 2 capsules Milk Thistle (herbal supplement) Milk Thistle in a natural herb that works as a liver purifier. Starving geckos are likely to have hepatic lipidosis, or fatty liver disease.

¼ tsp. each calcium powder and herp vitamin powder The purpose of these ingredients are self-explanatory.

3-5 X-large handfuls of mealworms Mealworms are not natural food for leopard geckos in the wild, but are a staple diet in captivity (crickets decompose and rot in the slurry). They are high in protein, fat, and the chitin in the exoskeleton provide roughage and help to form a solid stool.

 

[robin]

reminder, this is no substitute for veterinary care from a qualified vet. it is an aide and not a cure all. marcia, may i ask you not to insinuate this is a substitute for veterinary care. i think a visit to the vet is first needed and this used as a last resort.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

reminder, this is no substitute for veterinary care from a qualified vet. it is an aide and not a cure all. marcia, may i ask you not to insinuate this is a substitute for veterinary care. i think a visit to the vet is first needed and this used as a last resort.

There is no insinuation at all. If you would read the recipe on my website, you will see that I stated this:

Keep in mind that this slurry IS NOT medicine, nor will it cure anything! It is designed to be used as nutrition for anorexic geckos that are off-food and being treated by a veterinarian for a diagnosed clinical disease or illness.

As well as the last paragraph of post #6 on this thread:

The slurry will not cure anything, but will provide nourishment for starving geckos.

It is also stated in the Health and Medications Forum as a sticky:
http://geckoforums.net/showpost.php?p=617070&postcount=35

 

[robin]

Thank you for clearing that up for everyone

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[Lyxie]

My Schnee passed away this evening after I tried giving him pedialyte. thanks for the help anyway