Snows hatched from Albino X Super Hypo pairing.

[Leokaiser]

OK so I started getting back into Leos after a good 12 years off the scene. A lot has changed in that time! Now I started a simple project with a few morphs and I had paired a female Tremper albino to a male super hypo (normal yellow). Wasnt looking to get much, just get the kids involved and get off to a start. I got the eggs mixed up because they were laid just before moving into a new house and I lost the master sheet I used to tell me what colors markers were for what females. That being said I noticed quite a few snows start popping up but I did not expect it to be from my albino. She was still laying so I decided to make it easier and just initial the eggs to know what was what. Turns out she has been laying the snows all along.

My question is, what can I expect or what is going on here? Is it an Albino het for snow? Anyone have any cool ideas as to what I can do with the offspring or what males I can pair the female homo Albino too? The way genetics went down since I have got out of the hobby has my head spinning. I understand a lot of the basics but it just strikes me as odd that she being the homo form of albino has snow in her and she is laying all 100% snows and no albinos or albino snows or anything else but just snows.

Also I paired the male to other females that do not produce snows so that rules him out of the equation, not?

 

[Neon Aurora]

Since you're getting snows from the female, that means that she is snow. Mack snow is not a recessive trait, so a gecko can't be het for it. Hatching 100% snows is just luck because snow x non-snow gives you a 50% chance of getting snows. The male doesn't appear to be snow since you are not getting snows from his other pairing or super snows from the albino female pairing.

 

[Leokaiser]

So she IS an albino snow even though she shows zero signs of being a snow? Her offspring show zero signs of being albino...lol. Crazy how this worked just by chance and random luck. I guess if the snow trait started to fade off as they some times do with age that could be why she appears more normal albino than anything?

Also, I thought Super Snows where the homo of the Mack Snow and Mack Snows were the het form which is actually something that has been confusing me about that morph.

 

[Neon Aurora]

Yup, she's an albino snow all right. It's often really hard to tell a snow from a non-snow when they're adults. It's easier to tell when they're hatchlings. Albino snows often just look paler than a regular albino, but not always. Since you didn't get any albinos, it means that your male is not het for tremper albino (but unless you know all the genetics for sure, there is no guarantee he is not het for a different strain of albino).

Yes, you're correct. Supers are the homozygous form and snows are the heterozygous. I see what you meant now. I'm just so used to people using "het" to mean a gecko that has one copy of a recessive trait, so does not express it phenotypically. I suppose what I meant is that a gecko can't be het for snow in that sense. A heterozygous snow means a visual mack snow. Nobody really says "het snow" because there is no need. It is either not snow, snow, or super snow. So that was just a matter of confusion of terminology on my part. =P

 

[Leokaiser]

Cool beans! I was hoping to try and do something with albinos but it looks like I got a pretty cool surprise.

A heterozygous snow means a visual mack snow. Nobody really says "het snow" because there is no need. It is either not snow, snow, or super snow. So that was just a matter of confusion of terminology on my part. =P

No no, not your fault. I seen it in a wiki too and thought how can it be het if it shows visual snow so its always been a bit confusing for me even though I figured thats pretty much what it was.


Now I am wondering what cool crosses I can do with these guys eventually now that I got that unexpected extra bit of a jump start.

 

[acpart]

If you produce any male offspring, you could pair it back to the female and get albino snows, albino super snows and non-albino super snows.

Aliza

 

[Leokaiser]

I did incubate for male as well as female but I then read that temp sex isn't proven with snows so who knows? That being considered, if temps do not or are not proven to determine sex, can they be incubated at the higher temperature range? I mean obviously they could but has this been proven to not determine sex as of yet?

 

[acpart]

Lately, temp sexing seems to work fine with snows. Don't incubate any higher than 88.

Aliza

 

[Leokaiser]

The males are dead on at 88 and females at 82. Good to know temp sexing works as apposed to what I was reading.

Thanks.