something that truly makes me sad

[beardieman]

K this may have been dicussed on this forum before but i just find it horrible.
this is just another way to show how we as humans cant leave well enough alone and always think we can make things "better"/
This is a designer dragon (much like the designer dogs available that have shortened life spans, bad health, and genetic and physical deformities from birth). It is a sad poor lil fellow. It thinks it is a bearded dragon wants to do the things a beardie should do but unfortunately due to a certain companies medaling with genetics just cant. The picture below grabs my heart and makes me sad just to see what they have done via inbreeding and selective inbreeding. this is just sad.

The scaleless or "Silkback" dragon is a result of breedng 2 Co-dominant leatherback dragons together. Silkback dragons do not have scales or tubercles on their backs or ventral sides. The lateral spines are also absent from these animals. With the absence of scales, the actual coloration of the animal is much more vibrant. (This particular Silkback female is a sibling/clutchmate to the leatherback male in the top picture!)



Care for the "Silkback" dragons DOES vary slightly from the general care of a regularly scaled bearded dragon. While her diet has remained the same as our other dragons, we have adjusted her husbandry by lowering her basking temperatures to a high of the upper 90s, with restricted access to long periods of actual basking time. The combination of a regular fluorescent bulb and a ReptiSun 5.0 are used for UV lighting and slightly increased humidity.

The skin of the "Silkback" dragon is similar to that of a pinkie mouse ((or your eye lid)) in texture and fragility. Close care must be given to prevent injury and encourage a healthy shedding process.

Working with this new Co dominant morph of dragons is going to be very exciting and should open the door to some new projects/morphs in the future - especially when combined with the recessive Translucent and Hypomelanistic traits that are currently on the market.

We'd like to thank Alessandro for offering us the opportunity to work with this exciting new morph.

 

[Double LY]

You might want to get permission from the Dachiu's before using their picture and plagiarizing from their site.

 

[beardieman]

this information is all over the internet on several different forums. it has a lot of people up in arms including myself. if something is not "allowed" to be copied off of a site there are ways to make it un copyable. this was not. so get off of your high horse thank you.

 

[goReptiles]

i agree with you in the sense of the bearded dragon and his entire lifestyle having to be changed.

But i also agree with Kelly. You should have permission to use the material. I wouldn't want my pictures and info all over. Even if it is copyable material. Even if everyone else is copying the info, I don't think it's right. I try to ask before I post any material that is someone else's even if it's not on the internet, but emailed to me.

 

[PaulSage]

this information is all over the internet on several different forums. it has a lot of people up in arms including myself. if something is not "allowed" to be copied off of a site there are ways to make it un copyable. this was not. so get off of your high horse thank you.

Hold up just one second there, parder... Just because something is easy to steal doesn't mean that it's okay to steal it. Re-publishing text and images from a website without permission IS a copyright infringement; it's stealing.

Since I'm in a good mood today, I'll allow you the opportunity to ask the Daichus for permission if you have not already done so, as well as the opportunity to apologize to Kelley. If this isn't done very soon, I'll either be locking or deleting this thread and making this warning "official". :main_yes:

 

[beardieman]

i could care less if you lock it out
this is something people need to know about.
it is something else that is being done to this breed to destroy it.
if you are unhappy with the problem being brought to peoples attention then do the same thing everyone else in power seems to do when there is a problem that they dont want people to know. take it away from their view. i know this is wrong and anyone else who sees this knows it is wrong. it is a step to far. it is one more swing at the genetic tree of bearded dragons that has slowly been cut and cut till there is almost nothing left. but i guess im wrong for bringing it forward to people

so basically im saying do what you have to.

 

[Nastynotch]

Whaoo, Outside of the the whole copyright scandal were about to get thrown in. Im actually curious about the information at hand. Brian do you have a link or an article to recomend?

To be quite Honest I think thats an ugly dragon. And I agree its sad they've been demoted like that.

Id like to learn more about it.

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Mr. Sage Don't you think it would be a tad cruel to throw the bann-stick at brian, and close the thread? Expecially for something like this (outside of his rude attitude). In the new 'american way' you could find yourself in court for the quote in your signature all because some yank decides he wants to copyright what he said over the dinner table. And to be frank it would wrongfully represent geckoforums.net

 

[gko reptiles]

This is just getting out-of-hand. Why when a mod says something everyone has to go and try to say things against him. Paul is completely right with what he has said whether or not anyone likes it. He is going by the TOS of this website maybe more people should actually read it. I mean come on everyone needs to stop fighting the mods. I mean it IS copyright infringement, whether you think its right or not. Post a link to their website its not that hard and everyone stop complaining... what a mod says goes DEAL WITH IT. If people have rebuttals for what I have just said you can post if you want but you wont hear back from me, I am finished with this thread.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

its better to put a link than to copy someones site and besides that it is against the TOS to talk about others in that way.

If you want to discuss the ethics of this dragon line you can go to the ethics forum and follow the rules of not posting names etc but discuss if it is or is not ethical.

I didn't see Paul being cruel, he is giving the poster time to get permission to copy their site info, which is more than fair and I didn't see him throw any ban stick at anyone but propose that there may be a warning issued and this post is a violation of the TOS of the site.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

This is just getting out-of-hand. Why when a mod says something everyone has to go and try to say things against him. Paul is completely right with what he has said whether or not anyone likes it. He is going by the TOS of this website maybe more people should actually read it. I mean come on everyone needs to stop fighting the mods. I mean it IS copyright infringement, whether you think its right or not. Post a link to their website its not that hard and everyone stop complaining... what a mod says goes DEAL WITH IT. If people have rebuttals for what I have just said you can post if you want but you wont hear back from me, I am finished with this thread.

Ditto, Exactly what you said!!! :main_thumbsup:

 

[PaulSage]

i could care less if you lock it out
this is something people need to know about.
it is something else that is being done to this breed to destroy it.
if you are unhappy with the problem being brought to peoples attention then do the same thing everyone else in power seems to do when there is a problem that they dont want people to know. take it away from their view. i know this is wrong and anyone else who sees this knows it is wrong. it is a step to far. it is one more swing at the genetic tree of bearded dragons that has slowly been cut and cut till there is almost nothing left. but i guess im wrong for bringing it forward to people

so basically im saying do what you have to.

[sigh...] Nowhere in my post was there any presentation of my opinion on the subject itself or the importance of bringing it to attention. If you inferred any such opinion from what I said, you are mistaken. My concern is with the infringement and the unnecessary rudeness that you demonstrated in this thread. Had you brought attention to the issue and stated your opinion with a little more tact and respect for the law, I would have had no issue with this thread at all, and your objective may have had a little more merit.

Mr. Sage Don't you think it would be a tad cruel to throw the bann-stick at brian, and close the thread? Expecially for something like this (outside of his rude attitude). In the new 'american way' you could find yourself in court for the quote in your signature all because some yank decides he wants to copyright what he said over the dinner table. And to be frank it would wrongfully represent geckoforums.net

Nastynotch, really, you can call me Paul. There was no mention of banning anyone in this thread. Do you think enforcing rules is 'cruel' even though the original poster has been given the opportunity to make things right? I'm not sure what you're implying with "the new American way" reference, but you're also mistaken if you think quoting and giving credit to a public figure such as a comedian (a dang good one, by the way) and what beardieman posted are one in the same with regards to copyright infringement.

Now, if someone would like to start a new thread about this beaded dragon mutation that abides by site TOS and Federal law, that's perfectly acceptable to me.