Strange colored hatchlings?

[celestialram]

To preface I'm pretty new to geckos and the hatchling I'm confused about is the first I've ever hatched, but is still not what I was expecting out of the pairing. I'm sure it's a normal but it's still very light colored and its siblings are beginning to lighten up similarly. The pairing its from was mack snow tremper het raptor x mack snow ph diablo blanco, but I'll include pics below of them.

Right after hatching:


A week after hatching:


Today, at 3 weeks old:


And the parents:

I'm pretty sure it's just beginner confusion but there's no hurt in asking for second opinions right? If it's of any relevance I've had terrible odds with this pairing too, out of 3 eggs hatched all have been normals looking like the one shown.

 

[indyana]

Looking at his pic from hatching, I'd say he's a Mack Snow because the bands were whitish with only a bit of yellow tinge (unless that picture is very washed out for some reason). You can see the clear difference between his light bands at hatching and the yellow bands on the normal hatchling on the bottom.

The dark bands fading and breaking up indicates he may be a Hypo, which makes sense because the Mack Snow parent (the non-albino one) has greatly reduced spotting on body, to the point where it could be considered a Hypo. There's some debate on that though; some people are really picky about the number of spots to be considered Hypo versus reduced pattern.

 

[celestialram]

The first picture is washed out from the flash, but it was a little paler than the siblings upon hatching. I guess I'll just have to wait and see if it develops a grey head or not.

Hypo makes a lot of sense though, I was just afraid of labeling anything as such since the mom was only sold as a snow. Thank you a ton for your input!

Hopefully I'll get more clarity when the rest of the eggs hatch out, I have 3 more incubating.

 

[Neon Aurora]

I personally don't think the lighter hatchling is a snow (but that doesn't mean it isn't)

mack snow x mack snow = 50% mack snow, 25% super snow, 25% normal. If you don't hatch any super snows, you might question if one of your geckos is snow. If you don't hatch out any snows, than question if either of your geckos are snow. But you will see when your eggs hatch. each egg produced has a 75% chance of not being snow/super snow, so I might be suspicious if 5 eggs hatch with no snows.

As for those hets... so your male is het eclipse, and your female is possible het blizzard, eclipse, and tremper albino? That's going to make things really complicated with figuring out exactly what hets those hatchlings have. You'll have more information when the rest of your eggs hatch, but there are quite a lot of possible combinations for this pairing. If you don't hatch any trempers or eclipses, than the female may not be be het for either of those. Babies are 25% poss het blizzard.

 

[celestialram]

I'm definitely pretty concerned about not getting one obvious snow so far, especially since part of the point of pairing these two was to get few normals while trying to prove hets out at the same time. I have 3 more eggs though, 1 due to hatch in the next 2 weeks and the other two due in 5 weeks. I've always had terrible luck with odds though.

But yes, those are the hets. A large reason for pairing these two was to prove out whether the female was het for tremper/eclipse or not since all of my projects/plans are mack snow raptor related. I'm hoping for eclipse to at least prove out but my odds are obviously not looking super awesome with this breeding haha.

 

[Neon Aurora]

Hmm. Where did you get the geckos? Do you trust the seller?

You have a 25% chance of eclipses and a 50% chance of trempers if she is het for those genes, so you may be able to prove her out on those. Trempers for sure.

Keep us updated.

 

[acpart]

Don't lose hope yet! Years ago I paired an albino with a het albino and the first 4 were non-albino. Ultimately I did prove that the het albino was indeed het. Here's my take on the first hatchling:
--the "dark" bands were so much lighter at hatching because the gecko is in line to lose most or all of its spots, as you can see in the later pictures. Many (though not all) hatchlings who are going to be hypo/superhypo hatch out with bands that look more brown than black
--the "yellow" coloring at hatching was very pale, but the gecko has yellowed up so fast in your later picture that I question whether it is a snow or not. I had a gecko and her daughter who were paired to snows and produced hatchlings that were so pale yellow I really couldn't tell if they were snows or not and had to sell them as "possible snows". To complicate things even more, I was pretty sure that the daughter was a snow, paired her with my non-snow Tremper and got at least one hatchling that I was sure was a Tremper snow. The next season i paired that same female with my Mack snow male and got 21 hatchlings, but not a single super snow. Either I was wrong about the female (and the tramper offspring) being snow, or she was not a Mack snow and consequently didn't produce any super snows with my Mack snow male.

Aliza

 

[celestialram]

I got them from a local breeder with a flawless reputation, I've never seen a bad review on them so I wholeheartedly trust their genetics. I'll definitely keep updated though, especially on new hatchlings and how the current ones continue to color up. All of them are lavender and bright yellow like the first as of today.

I haven't quite lost hope though, I almost always get the short end of the stick with odds on my first go at anything for whatever reason haha.

Thank you for that bit on the brown bands at hatching though! I'll probably end up having to hold back any that don't turn out male just to see what they look like in the end! That is super weird about those geckos though! I think one thing that's complicating this breeding is how high yellow my female is, but I'm sure she's a snow due to her grey head and spaces around the few spots she has.

Weird, weird geckos.

 

[Neon Aurora]

Glad to hear you got your geckos from a reliable source! In that case, the genetics are probably correct and you are just not hitting the odds. =)

Definitely keep us updated on what your last eggs turn out to be.

 

[celestialram]

I try to be as careful as possible with who I buy from haha.

I'll definitely keep updated, it'll be interesting to see what any snows/super snows or eclipses look like from this clutch if I get any for sure. More pics will follow as the hatchlings age too!

 

[celestialram]

Figured I might as well update now that the newest hatchlings have changed color and started eating!

baby #1 (oldest, now 4 weeks old)

baby #2 (2 weeks old)

baby #3 (2 weeks old)

I'm starting to think baby 1 is a possible snow, the newest hatchlings are way more vibrant than it was at 2 weeks old. Baby 3 is also getting really neat teeny tiny speckles. Another egg is due to hatch pretty soon, anytime between now and next week!

 

[acpart]

#1 is lighter but I still think it's too yellow at such a young age to be snow.

Aliza

 

[teejhaus2]

Hi my name is TJ and I am new to Leopard Geckos. I just bought one from a local mom and pop pet shop. I am wondering what albino and morph it is. and what gender it is. The pet shop said it was a six month old male, however I am very skeptical of this. 20150912_145042.jpg

 

[acpart]

Your picture isn't showing up and there's no way to access it from the info you posted. I recommend that you start a new thread in the "introduce yourself" sub-forum instead of diverting this one.

Aliza

 

[celestialram]

Sorry to not update in so long! I got pretty sidetracked about taking photos of these guys but they've changed a lot. Unfortunately I caught my last eggs sweating earlier, and I've had some temperature issues so I doubt they're going to hatch.

Here's the hatchlings today!

Baby #1 - I'm fairly certain he's a hypo. He's 20g now.

Baby #2 - I'm still kinda unsure about him but I think I'm just not used to watching leos grow from hatching. He's 15g now.

Baby #3 - I've been battling this guy to make him eat anything so he's still tiny and hasn't really changed color much. He's only 7g right now.