Stressing About Stress

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Tiamat has been off feed for a few months now. She has visibly lost weight but I am too afraid to weigh her. Her tail is about the same thickness as when I got her this passed winter so I'm thinking she is approaching 40g. Not very skinny, but getting there. Today I went and got some Jump Start. I feel like I'm a horrible owner because it seems like almost every time I've picked her up I'm forcing something in her face or down her throat. I've been trying to offset some of these experiences with good ones such as just holding her and letting her explore when the cat's not around. (Sana has shown great interest in my reptiles and has only sniffed them, but it still makes me nervous as hell.)

I have tried force feeding a few times. Mostly by trying to insert a freshly evicerated superworm into the side of her mouth. Well she doesn't bite like many of the little leopard geckos I had worked with at my former pet store job. She just looks away, which would force me to try and hold her head still so that I could try and put the worm into her mouth. Usually she would end up biting it but wouldn't keep it. I tried the same tactic today with the Jump Start only I had my husband try to inject a bit of it into her mouth.

I didn't want to stick the applicator in her mouth but eventually ended up getting some into her although I'm not sure if it was any good. The tube I have is apparently pretty old so the clear syrup has separated from the rest of it. I had thought perhaps they had just changed the product but soon after getting the syrup into her, I realized there was the thick brown part still in the tube. -_-

The tube says to feed the animal three times a day, but I am not going to put that much stress on my gecko. I have suspected that she is ovulating, but I cannot see a pink spot at all and she has not formed any infertile eggs. It's almost as if she is stressed out from eating even though when she was hungry I would just plop the super in front of her and she would snap it up right away. Sometimes I had to chase her around the tank a bit before she realized she was hungry which makes me think I was stressing her out and she might not be eating because of that.

What's worse is that after my husband and I gave her a bit of the Jump Start she started swallowing hard and making a clicking noise. I tried giving her some water with an eyedropper which she did take some. We let her sit still for a bit to calm down, her head raised, and she continued to sometimes try to swallow with a bit of difficulty and the same faint clicking noise. She seems fine now however and has taken refuge in her moist hide.

I'm just really worried that I am stressing her. I have always offered her food every feeding day. She ate maybe once in the last month. She doesn't act like she's stressed though, so I don't know. Lately she has taken to laying outside her hides on the warm side of her tank with the occasional lap around it. When I handle her she is active and likes to hide under my hair or lay against my neck. I hate force feeding her but I don't know what else to do to get her to start eating again. The Jump Start seemed to work very well with the geckos I had used it on at the pet store even though I had to force feed it to them. They were eating again within a week or so.

Also I had made slurry a few months ago when she had stopped eating the first time but it appears the cubes I had in the freezer got freezer burn, and I don't have the $50+ to spend on new ingredients although I really wish I did. Atleast feeding her that way didn't seem to be so stressful.

Sorry about the wall o' text.
 

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From the actions you described after feeding her it sounds like she was trying to regurgitate. I've seen that before. You may want to check to see if she has done so. I'm sure you are very frustrated, so don't worry about the long post.
 

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Yeah, actually at one point I thought she was going to throw it back up. Her throat bulged and she went "GULP!". I put her down on a stool but she didn't regurge. I took a look around her tank and she hasn't regurged. I'm always worried about hurting her though when I have to force feed her. I really wish she'd be more like Mandarin and be a little piggy. I'd almost rather her be overweight than not eating. lol
 

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Honestly, if you think she's ovulating, not losing weight and at least eating something on her own once every few weeks, I wouldn't bother with force feeding her. If you really need to feed her slurry, you can try the eye dropper and put a drop on the tip of her lip, then slowly get her to lick from the dropper. That'll be much less stressful than forcing something in her mouth.

When our geckos stop eating, I reckon the owner is more stressful than the gecko, lol.
 

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Honestly, if you think she's ovulating, not losing weight and at least eating something on her own once every few weeks, I wouldn't bother with force feeding her. If you really need to feed her slurry, you can try the eye dropper and put a drop on the tip of her lip, then slowly get her to lick from the dropper. That'll be much less stressful than forcing something in her mouth.

When our geckos stop eating, I reckon the owner is more stressful than the gecko, lol.

Well that's just it. She hasn't eaten anything for about a month now and she's visibly losing weight. And I do prefer the slurry but the batch I had went bad in the freezer and I don't have the money to go out and buy all the ingredients again. :( I think I will try putting a little bit of the Jump Start on her chin again. She did lick it off but ended up wiping most of it on me. I'll just have to be persistent. I really don't want to have to inject it into her mouth again. >.<
 

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Yep, my geckos wipe their mouths everywhere to get the slurry off, but eventually they'll get something down. I have one that absolutely hate the stuff, and it takes me at least half an hour to get her to lick like 0.6ml!

When I make the slurry, I didn't follow Marcia's recipe exactly as I know my girls aren't sick; it was just that I'm worried and want them to have some food in their stomach. So I just blend a lot of mealworms with baby food (chicken and pumpkin), and add the calcium and vitamins. I feed them only around 0.6-0.8ml once every 2 weeks. I still offer live food as usual, if they decide to eat even 1 thing on their own, I'll stop the slurry.
 

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That's a good idea. I didn't think about simplifying the recipe. Hell, I can afford some mealies, and the vitamins and stuff. I might give that a try. Thanks!

Today though she did show a little interest in a super so I cracked it open again where she lapped up a little of the goo. I've decided that I'm not going to force feed her any more. It's not only stressful for her but me as well. Like I said, I'll just have to be more patient. And if she refuses to lick, I'll just try it again later or something. Thank you for the advice though. You've given me something to work with. :)
 

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