sunglow vs hybino

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what is the difference between sunglow and hybino? I heard that they are the same, but then ive also been told that sunglow is tangerine, and ive seen many hybinos that werent tangerine? Hope someone can shed some light on this for me
 
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I could be mistaken but I think origanally TUG started to call his Sunglow after the snake morph. His being trempers and the fact that maybe others wanted to identify their lines with a different name I think Hybino was used for Bells. Although I have heard some people commonly call Trempers Hybinos.
 

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I have 1.2 tremper hybinos, the reason i asked, is because i was told that hybinos and sunglows were the same, but i was also told that sunglows are tangerines, and my hybinos are not tangerine
 

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Actually it was Ray Hine in the UK that coined the phrase HYBINO (HY=hypo, BINO=albino). He created them by crossing his SHTCT's with Tremper albinos. The Sunglow is a specific 'hybino' created by Craig Stewart of Urban Gecko, Super Tangerine Albino is Ron Tremper's version, and the HyGlow is Alberto's (A&M) morph.

Technically, the real 'HyBino' has Ray Hine genes, but now any 'hypo' albino could be considered a hybino as long as the strain of albino is specified.
 

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thanks Marcia, i appreciate it:) Part that confuses me now though, is that my hybinos are het raptor. So that means they can produce tangerines, but yet neither one of them are actully tangerines and i thought tangerine was linebreed, im even more confused now, can you shed some light on this also?
 

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Yes, tangerine is a line-bred mutation. So are hybinos and RAPTORs, in a sense. Tangerines were developed by line-breeding geckos with the most orange coloration, and is not a recessive trait like albino is. So, you cannot really have a 'het' for tangerine. On the other hand, even though RAPTORs are line-bred, they are still albinos with solid red eyes. Assuming the ruby eyes are also a recessive gene, you could have geckos that are 'het' for ruby eyes.

I know it's confusing... : :rolleyes3: :dizzy2: :rolleyes5:
 
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Woops, I forgot about Ray Hines. Thank goodness for Marcia.
 

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Golden Gate Geckos said:
Actually it was Ray Hine in the UK that coined the phrase HYBINO (HY=hypo, BINO=albino). He created them by crossing his SHTCT's with Tremper albinos. The Sunglow is a specific 'hybino' created by Craig Stewart of Urban Gecko, Super Tangerine Albino is Ron Tremper's version, and the HyGlow is Alberto's (A&M) morph.

Technically, the real 'HyBino' has Ray Hine genes, but now any 'hypo' albino could be considered a hybino as long as the strain of albino is specified.
Marcia,

I thought Ray Hines where orginally SHCTB and Craig Stewart was the one which produced the first SHTCTB and coined them Sun Glow to distinguish his line as being having Tangerine.
Xavier
 

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Tangerines and RAPTOR's are completely separate morphs. A tangerine is a line-bred, non-albino morph. A RAPTOR is an albino, which is recessive. Recessive traits can only express themselves when combined with the same recessive gene; and if crossed with a morph other than it's own type will produce hets (heterozygous) offspring. This means that even though the recessive trait is not expressed, the offspring is carrying those genes.
 

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I thought Ray Hines where orginally SHCTB and Craig Stewart was the one which produced the first SHTCTB and coined them Sun Glow to distinguish his line as being having Tangerine.
This is somewhat true... because the original Ray Hine line was derived from "ghost" morphs, and he developed the carrot-tail with these geckos. The tangerines Ray used to introduce into his SHCT (Super-hypo carrot-tail) were NOT produced by Craig Stewart.
 
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from what i understand...

a sunglow is an albino shtct

a hybino is a albino hct or shct

and a super tangerine albino is an albino tangerine typically linebred for less spots.

a hyglow is basically the same as a super tangerine albino except that they were born from the Jungle Giant Albino lines from A&M gecko, i believe.

basically when you get rid of the black in an albino by either line breeding for fewer spots or introducing the hypo gene you allow more yellow or orange to show through and the animal will "hypo out" to different degrees making a mostly solid or completely solid colored animal, though they are usually two toned with a darker color where the spotting would be most prevelant.

ultimately i think it would be benificial for the hobby if we could all just agree on some basic morph terms. it sure would make it easier to market the geckos we spend so much money on.
 
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ultimately i think it would be benificial for the hobby if we could all just agree on some basic morph terms. it sure would make it easier to market the geckos we spend so much money on.
I agree, LOL!!! Unfortunately, we are dealing with egos as well as genetics when it comes to these morphs!
 
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Problem is morph names are used for marketing, plus the descriptions are changing on a monthly basis. Remember the first hypos? What about the first tangerines?

chad e said:
ultimately i think it would be benificial for the hobby if we could all just agree on some basic morph terms. it sure would make it easier to market the geckos we spend so much money on.
 
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Since they are both albinos. What is the differance between a "Tremper Hybino" or I think he calls them "Tangelos" and an APTOR?

Really confused.
 

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APTORS have a different patternless gene than a hybino or sunglow or tangelo. I beleive that actully APTORS are het stripe andn reverse stripe also? There is alot crammed into those buggers, and honostly i havent tried to look into them to much
 

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ts1a said:
Since they are both albinos. What is the differance between a "Tremper Hybino" or I think he calls them "Tangelos" and an APTOR?

Really confused.
A Tremper Hybino is an Hypo crossed with an albino. The straind of albino is noticable in the eyes.

A Tangelo is a Tangerine crossed with an albino.

An Albino Patternless Tremper ORange, shows traits of both Tangelos and Hybinos along with Carrot Heads and Carrot Tails.

I think I got it right, if not correct me please!
 

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Basically, ALL hypo-tangerine albinos are the same morph, some are Tremper albinos, or Las Vegas (Rainwater) albinos, or Bell albinos, since the term HyBino = Hy(po) al(Bino). Various breeders call them something different for marketing and identification purposes.
 

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Golden Gate Geckos said:
Basically, ALL hypo-tangerine albinos are the same morph, some are Tremper albinos, or Las Vegas (Rainwater) albinos, or Bell albinos, since the term HyBino = Hy(po) al(Bino). Various breeders call them something different for marketing and identification purposes.
Tremper's site has a section on Tangelos and describes it as a Tangerine Albino. I know a Hybino is a Hypo + an Albino... so is a Tangelo considered a new morph? Here are some pics for comparision...

Hybinos
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hybino11.jpg

hybino20.jpg


Tangelos
tangelo619.jpg

tangelo626.jpg

tangelo625.jpg


From the pictures, it looks like the Tangelos have a darker yellow or an orange to them when compared to the Hybinos.
 

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