sunglow vs hybino

[Lottiz]

Lovely colors

I think the different between Hybinos and Tangelos are like SHT and Tornado; just selective breeding and no genetic deferents. But to choose a new name for those deep tangerine albinos is a way for Ron to septate the quality. I love them!

/L

 

[lion lizard]

You gotta love the name tags, it does distinguish the breeders from each other. It can be confusing but nevertheless a very smart marketing strategy.

 

[Lottiz]

You gotta love the name tags, it does distinguish the breeders from each other. It can be confusing but nevertheless a very smart marketing strategy.

Well...I understand the problem. And I've been asking for a standard world over for our geckos, like dogs, cats, rats and others. But I don't think it's possible... In Sweden we got a big discussion about when a Leopard geckos is a Hyglo...Is it just A&M's line or is every tangerine albino with out SH and with 90% tangerine a Hyglo??

I Love the Tangelos for their colors...not their morph name :S

/L

 

[SaSobek]

hyglow

I would say that the hyglow is an A&M thing. Alberto did work very hard on that project and it took years to really get the animals to the point they are now. There is more to it then just not having the hypo genes. There are giant lines in there as well. Some of the original Double hets (giant x tangs) when not breeding are 90 + grams. For the next few years he refined the tangerines and the albinos by selectively breeding the spots off of the tangerines and by trying to make the bands come together on the albinos so they kind of have the look like they are a genetic hypo. But they are a selective breed hypo which takes longer and is a lot harder to produce. Even to this day the A&M "hypo" line (hyglow), you can get spotted animals not all of them come out super hypo baldy CT most do but some don't. Which in my opinion a selectively breed animal should be worth more then an animal that is genetic but you have to always stay competitive with pricing. I think that Ron Trempers "Tangelos" are the same idea as the A&M line Hyglow. Get solid animals with out using any genetic hypo lines.

He also did the same thing with his Jungle Giant Line. He tried to make it so that the orange would take over the whole body. He got it to the point that the animal was about 95-100 % color and then Ron Tremper gave us the Aptor, which is more of a genetic thing (stripe x reverse stripe).

But there are many ways to create geckos that look similar but the genetics may be different. That is why a lot of times we have a lot of names for the same looking gecko but they really might be totally different. There are some tangerine lines that if you mix them you get not as nice looking animals. As well as there are some others that if you mix them you get better looking animals. So knowing that there has to be differences between some lines.

In my opinion. I think if people want to have there own line they have to
1. know where the original stock came from
2. have been working on the project for at least 3-4 generations. in less geneticaly it is something different (enigma, snow, ect.)
3. be totally up front to there coustomers of what exactly they have so there is no confusion on what the animal is
4. and lastly have something different from other lines and be able to say why it is different.

That’s just my thought on that.

 

[GekkoGalaksen]

Sasobek...you have some good points :main_yes:
I think people call their geckos Hyglo, Tornado and so on without having the right bloodlines in them!
Even worse...as you say, they can be look a likes with completly differnet genes!
It´s feels a little bit like stealing!

 

[Lottiz]

-Oh, thanks for a great answer! I got Hyglo giant line from A&M's and I agree with you. This was what our thread was about... someone reached some very nice all colored tangerine albinos and wanted to call them Hyglos. I wrote to Alberto to ask what he toughed about it. And he told me like you did.

I'm very interested in genetics and i don't find Leo breeding hard to understand. The problems is if people all over the world uses wrong morph names or just make their own... It's not easy to just look att a Loe and say if they are a all black eye blizzard or a mack super snow blizzard. It's the same with Diablo Blanco and red eye blazing blizzard...
I bring a breeder certificate with every sold gecko to give my costumers the correct morph information I can.

Thanks again, SaSobek!

/Lottiz

 

[SaSobek]

Thank you

I think it is very important to know what the blood line is of all the animals in your collection. Most of my animals I know back 3 generations and in some cases I have all 3 generations. Most of my stock is from A&M and I have been watching and learning the A&M line for years now. So I would say I know it really well. I’m just thankful that Alberto dealt with all of my questions over the years hahahah (Thank you Alberto) most breeders should and will talk shop with you as much as they can. Some stuff they like to keep as surprises but most of the time they will let you know as much as you want about there lines and projects if you ask.


This is a picture of my breeder racks if you look they are actually loaded with info on each group I have weights. what line they are from so I can trace back bloodlines, what male will be with them this year, and they are all numbered and color coded by the male they will be breed with and if the male has been with them yet. Just thought it would be fun to show.
View attachment 3180

 

[Lottiz]

Thats alot! In Sweden we have to get much bigger tanks for 2-3 geckos... I get my groups here:

 

[SaSobek]

wow

wow that is awsome looking Lottiz they are all natural and easy to watch them. they are liveing like kings and queens very very nice maybe some day some of my babies will find there way there to your cages

beautiful beautiful set ups :main_thumbsup:

 

[Lottiz]

:artist: He, he...it took some times to build it, but it's nice to look att and my Leopard geckos have got a favorite rock in the walls! I can see them sleeping there very confident and calm
I want all my babies to be like kings and queens :crowngrin:

Do you got some webb site?

/Lottiz

 

[KellyTCS]

Nice setup Lottiz!

 

[eyelids]

That's awesome Lottiz!

 

[Lottiz]

Thank you all

I like it most cours I can see they love the rocks:

-My rock!

-My rock!

-My corner!

How can you sleep like this?? It's a dark pic. I didn't want to use the flash and wake her up...

One of the vivariums:

And some climbing leos:

 

[eyelids]

Wow wow wow! Someday I MUST have some display enclosures like your's! It looks like they love it! Great work!

 

[ts1a]

Another ?

So if a tremper tangering albino where majority of body it tangering, = hyglo = hybino = sunglow..... basically (Although others may come from bell or rainwater).

To go from that morph to A.P.T.O.R one just would introduce shtct?

 

[Kotsay1414]

So if a tremper tangering albino where majority of body it tangering, = hyglo = hybino = sunglow..... basically (Although others may come from bell or rainwater).

To go from that morph to A.P.T.O.R one just would introduce shtct?

In The Herpetoculture of Leopard Geckos Ron Tremper describes a Hybino as a Hypo + an Albino (any strand). Since he described it as being any strand, I'm guessing the same is for a Tangelo, Sunglows, and Hyglos.

I'm not sure what you are asking with the second part. Could you clarify it please?

 

[marula]

lottiz, may you post some closer pics of your tank glass?
i'm so curious to see it for understand what you use for close them

 

[Lottiz]

So if a tremper tangering albino where majority of body it tangering, = hyglo = hybino = sunglow..... basically (Although others may come from bell or rainwater).

To go from that morph to A.P.T.O.R one just would introduce shtct?

Aptor is a AlbinoPatternless tremper oranges.

 

[PrototypeGeckos]

Thank you all

I like it most cours I can see they love the rocks:

-My rock!

-My rock!

-My corner!

How can you sleep like this?? It's a dark pic. I didn't want to use the flash and wake her up...

One of the vivariums:

And some climbing leos:

Man I would love to have the room to have setups like that, that is amazing, great job!!

 

[Leopardgeckopunk]

Right on Marcia!!!

Trizzypballr does one of the parents of your non tangerine hybino het raptor have red eyes?? Or carry het. Raptor?