Tagged by a Copperhead (Somewhat Graphic) Update!

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Josh Dimpfl

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Tuesday night I get a phone call from a buddy of mine, Kyle, stating he found a nice looking Eastern Kingsnake (L.g.getula) while cruising and that I -had- to see it, it was special. So while trying to squeeze out of him what was special about the kingsnake he interrupts saying "Whoa whoa whoa, let me call you back" Immediately assuming he caught a copperhead, since copperheads are just about as common as leaves down here in the piedmont of NC. Well, he got to my house a bit later and whipped open his passenger side door of his truck to get the bag he put the kingsnake in. I noticed in a tub there was a decent sized copperhead, male. Now, some of you are thinking (Why did he collect the kingsnake and copperhead? why not just let them be?) well, we wanted to get photos and data on the animals. I'll explain later. Anywhom, after showing the 'rents the nice little king, which turned out to be aberrant.

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My buddy Adam showed up, we were planning on going cruising. Well, this is where mistakes happened. We removed the copperhead and placed him in the bag the kingsnake was in, we were going to release him on the way to cruise. Adam set him in the back seat of his Blazer and I hopped in the back seat along with it. However, when I reached down to grab the bag and place him in the far back of the Blazer, I noticed the bag jump and I felt some pricks in the thumb. I sat there for a second and calmly said "Guys, we need to goto the hospital, I just got tagged by a copperhead" of course no one believed me, I guess it was because I was so calm. Well, after going back inside to tell the 'rents I was headed to the ER, Adam told me we had to go, so we headed out. Let me tell you, for those who've never been bit, it's a very abnormal feeling, almost like liquid fire running through your veins. We got to the hospital about 10 minutes earlier. Keep count on the minutes and hours, it's interesting. I went inside and told the lady at the front desk that I was tagged by a copperhead, she calmly typed some things up on the computer and put a band around my arm and told me to go sit down. Seriously, what the *****? Anywhom, I sat there in a waiting room chair for about 20 minutes or so before someone finally called me to go back. They ran my vitals, etc and sent me to a room. It wasn't too bad by that time, which was maybe 15 minutes after waiting. My arm was swollen pretty bad and i can see it swelling up my arm. I continued to wait until they sent my folks and my buddies Kyle and Adam back. They administered 1 shot of morphine to help for pain, which we later found out (10 minutes later) had no affect. Meanwhile, the pain was beginning to get worse, it felt as if my veins were literally going to pop out of my arm. After a few more shots of morphine I felt no pain, but became quite drowsy. The doctor came in and told me pretty much what I knew already, asked me if I was sure it was a copperhead...No, it was a bite from a ratsnake...I'm a biology student, I'm not ignorant. (No two cents) So, after the doc was telling me about the antivenom, I jokingly threw out "Whats the name of the antivenom?" and the doctor looked at me puzzled and said "Cro...cro....cro..." and I interrupted and said "CroFab?" he looked at me and said "Yeah! that's it!"....Oh boy...GET ME OUT OF HERE. So after waiting 4 hours for Crofab to thaw (yeah, it was frozen....6 vials of it) they administered it to me. I soon had a reaction to it and they gave me a shot of benedryl. Most of the rest is pretty fuzzy because I was both in and out of consciousness, but I do remember waking up at 5am, them deciding to transfer me to a larger hospital in Charlotte, me going into the ambulance, me coming out, and then lying in my new room in Charlotte.

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The ninja turtle was given to me by Adam while I was lying there in the bed, just so you were wondering.

Now, fast forward 7 days to tonight, exactly 11 minutes from typing this sentence I was tagged. The bleeding/draining had stopped. I can move my other digits on that hand a bit, but barely. The thumb is still incapable of movement because of the swelling but atleast most of the pain is gone. I can't feel my thumb what so ever. My NEW toxicologist up in Charlotte believes with a few weeks of continuous self-therapy, I'll be able to write fine. Get this, college classes started on the Wednesday after I got tagged, and I have an english course. Today was the first day to the class and he's most understanding. Which is cool. I appreciate those who called me to see how I was doing, even if I was drugged up on painkillers (Sorry Daniel Dye, that morning you called, I was pretty much in la-la land), and I'll be ready to catch hell.

For those who have been tagged by venomous herps, I'd like to see some photos or stories!

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For those wondering about the copperhead, since I have a legal collectors permit allowing me to collect up to 2 copperheads, we ended up keeping him, I've used him this past sunday at the reptile and amphibian day at work to educate the locals. (I work at a natural history museum). Adam and Kyle jokingly has dubbed the copperhead "Josh".

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Update 8/28/08 - 9 days after envenomation.

Things are still swollen, it hurts to move my thumb still. I'm still unable to write and it is still difficult to type with my left hand. It looks worse today than it did on tuesday, things are blacker and I can tell my body is healing up...slowly. Anywhom, here's some photos from today.

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Lena

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Wow! That's all I can say after reading that story and seeing those pictures! We're lucky we don't have many venomous snakes to worry about around here, just rat snakes.. Then again, you were looking for him!

You're quite the trooper.

Thanks for sharing! :)
 
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Josh Dimpfl

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Well, you guys up in PA have Northern Copperheads (A.c.contortrix), Timber Rattlesnakes (C.horridus) and in some parts (Western parts of PA) Eastern Massasauga's (S.c.catenatus). 2/3 of them are mainly noctournal or crepuscular, so your chances of finding one are slim.
 

Gregg M

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I have no bite stories for you, sorry... Well not really sorry... Been keeping hots for I guess 15 16 years now and always managed to keep my fingers out of their mouths....

Copperhead bites although usually not fatal are serious and can cause a large amount of necrosis. They are a very underestimated snake... Glad you recovered well...

Lena, I know 5 den locations in Pa where you will find tons of timbers and copperheads...
 
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yellermelon

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Josh man, thats nuts. I hate you got bit! Kind reminder to always respect nature...I guess you can be glad it wasnt a bush viper, or a Gaboon lol..That woulda sucked way worse eh? lol Good to see your ok, and Good that I seen all these pics.honestly ive seen copperheads about once to twice a year my whole life, been close, even almost stepped on one lol..I never before seen the effects of their bite. Now I have and also have a new respect for this snake! Keep us updated man!
 
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Joel La Rocque

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Tagged by a Copperhead

If I were you I would sue the hell out of the doctor and Hospital! I have been dealing with venom for over 40 years now and after 57 bites there are a few things you learn. #1: Once Cro-Fab has been diluted with NaCl or Dextrose it has a life of less then 12 hours, frozen maybe 24 if that. Cro Fab if a very fragile substance and if shaken or stirred it separates and is useless. 2Nd: the anti venom is far more dangerous then the bite of a copperhead. I sell Copperhead venom to research Labs working on Cancer Cures and a bite on the finger is a monthly hastle that one puts up with. Your bite was barely more then a dry bite.
Get a good Lawyer and have a party with your winnings because someone screwed up big time. I would say that putting a snake in a bag was your first mistake. If someone put you in a bag, I bet you would bite them too! Try using a 10 gallon aquarium next time and stuff like this wont happen. Snakes bite out of fear or pain. If you do not give them a reason to fear you they wont bite you as the pictures I am enclosing with this letter. Next time be careful and watch where you put your hands.
 

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Gregg M

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For the most part, venomous snakes are not volitile but it is also not recommended to do what Joel has show in the photos...

This is dangerous even for seasoned handlers... You are basically asking to get bitten by freehandling venomous snakes...

Joel, I will not squalk about you methods as every keeper has their own way of doing things, BUT, you should have put a "Do not try this at home" disclaimer man... LOL
 

Palor

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Ouch, your story is a reminder to always be cautious, even with a bagged snake.

I got tagged when rock climing up in Joshua Tree. I figure it was a dry bite since there was only a little blood, some swelling and a strong burny, itchy feeling along with localized pain. All those symptoms were fading after 4 hours and gone in 24 hours. I figure I got really lucky.

The fall onto my butt after letting go of the rocks did more damage.
 
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Joel La Rocque

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Hello Greg:
I guess you are absolutely right about the labeling of the pictures. I have been working with these animals for forty years now and I take it for granted anyone with common sense would not try that. In my first 33 years I received 57 bites (Sounds like a lot but at 60 snakes a day X 6 days a week, it is negligible) and in the last six years I have received O bites with my new method of working with them. Maybe I am one lucky idiot or I have stumbled on to something?

A bite late perhaps but here it is: DON"T DO THIS AT HOME. better late then never.

PS Does everyone reaolize we are talking about a bite that is a year old?
 

Gregg M

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I've been told by people who have been bitten by copperheads that their venom isn't serious enough to go to the Hospital. Is that true?

That info you got is 100% false... Copperhead bites have resulted in death ESPECIALLY when untreated... Also the necrosis their venom can cause can leave you with missing fingers... Like I said, they are a very underestimated species...
 

Gregg M

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in the last six years I have received O bites with my new method of working with them.

In my 15 years plus working with venomous, I have never been bitten with my method... Good ol snake hooks and tubes... LOL

But you obviously handle snakes for a very different reason than I do... I keep as a hobby but it is apparent you work with them for a living so you and I are not comparable in that sence... Like I said, every keeper does their thing...
 

tofuman

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That info you got is 100% false... Copperhead bites have resulted in death ESPECIALLY when untreated... Also the necrosis their venom can cause can leave you with missing fingers... Like I said, they are a very underestimated species...
Good to know. Do you know anything about cottonmouth bites? Because I've herd the same stuff about them too.
 

rickmoss95

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For the most part, venomous snakes are not volitile but it is also not recommended to do what Joel has show in the photos...

This is dangerous even for seasoned handlers... You are basically asking to get bitten by freehandling venomous snakes...

Joel, I will not squalk about you methods as every keeper has their own way of doing things, BUT, you should have put a "Do not try this at home" disclaimer man... LOL

yeah, and this is probably why he has been bitten 57 times!!!! i dont care how long you have been doing this, that is stupid!!! im not trying to make enemies or piss anyone off, but c'mon! if your gonna be that silly with a venomous snake, dont show off! geez! doop~tee~doop~tee~doo
 

William Carty

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Ok I have a some what odd question. This is not scolding or disrespecting hot owners in the lest or at lest I am not trying to but other than for educational reasons, why would someone own hots? there is a large underground market here in Kentucky for venomous herps and inexperience owners are getting ate up by these fellas. Just recently a 9 year old girl was bitten by a Micrurus fulvius (Coral Snake) that her father owned and it very nearly killed her. Reports like these are causing some major laws to be considered on snake ownership. I fear another lacy act only harsher this time. What can we do as herp owners to keep these beautiful but deadly serpents out of irresponsible owners hands? I do not own hots but if I did it would be a King. Any thoughts?
 

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Ok I have a some what odd question. This is not scolding or disrespecting hot owners in the lest or at lest I am not trying to but other than for educational reasons, why would someone own hots? there is a large underground market here in Kentucky for venomous herps and inexperience owners are getting ate up by these fellas. Just recently a 9 year old girl was bitten by a Micrurus fulvius (Coral Snake) that her father owned and it very nearly killed her. Reports like these are causing some major laws to be considered on snake ownership. I fear another lacy act only harsher this time. What can we do as herp owners to keep these beautiful but deadly serpents out of irresponsible owners hands? I do not own hots but if I did it would be a King. Any thoughts?

Not sure how many responses you will get from the OP and others that commented since this post is 5 years old. lol. I see no issue with owning hots, as long as people do it responsibly. Same goes for large constrictors IMO.
 

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