To Create An EXTREME EMERINE...??

[StatikStepz]

Hey, so i have a (F) Jungle Emerine, and am purchasing a Tremper Albino Jungle in the next couple of days...

I'm trying to create an Extreme Emerine from the Emerine i currently have... I was told that an EXTREME EMERINE is the top color albino version of an Emerine.

...Soooo.... For me to do so, i would have to take my Jungle Emerine, breed it to the Tremper Jungle, and then take that baby (because it would only be het for Tremper) and breed it back to the Tremper Jungle, assuming it is a female...?? No?

I know that Extreme Emerines are a fairly new morph and a high end one, but just plain ol' Emerines are nothing to special, altho they look very nice. Anyone have any input on this? Or if what i was told makes an Extreme Emerine is true? Or if there is another/better way to accomplish this...

...I also have a (M) Sunglow Enigma... can i breed that to the Jungle Emerine, since it has the Albino Gene in it?? :main_huh::main_huh::main_huh::main_huh::main_huh::main_huh:

 

[goReptiles]

I'm not really sure, but if you breed a het tremper albino to a het tremper albino, you're going to get albino, not an emerine, even if one of the original parents is an emerine.

Sounds like you're trying to get jungle albinos in the end, not emerines. I'm not up on emerines, but I'd suggest breeding the one emerine to another high green emerine.

 

[StatikStepz]

No, i'm trying to get an Extreme Emerine, but with the jungle pattern aswell... All i'm doing with the albino jungle is trying to get an Extreme Emerine out of an Emerine... if that is how you do it.... which is what i'm trying to figure out, lol

I'm trying to incorporate the albino gene into the Emerine that i own to make it an Extreme Emerine... because that is what i heard what an Extreme Emerine is... Is top color version of an albino Emerine... Is this true?

 

[cassadaga]

That's what they're sold as, but albino emerines aren't really green at all, if that's what you're going for. They just look like high contrast albinos.

 

[Wandering Paddle]

If you breed the emerine to the non emerine jungle than you will just be diluting the emerine color further... the opposite of an extreme emerine. The offspring will not be nearly as colorful as the emerine parent, so in affect you would be working backwards from your goal. If you want more colorful emerines than you need to breed your female to an albino emerine or similarly high color albino.

Is your enigma a tremper albino? you didnt specify, you just said albino.

 

[Wandering Paddle]

also, an emerine can be an albino without being an extreme emerine.

 

[StatikStepz]

Yes, the Sunglow Enigma's albino gene is Tremper.

...So then you're saying that i should skip breeding it to the Tremper Sunglow, and just breed it directly to the Sunglow Enigma? (it does make sense now that i think about it, that me breedin it to the Tremper Jungle would only DECREASE the Emerine Trait)

 

[StatikStepz]

That's what they're sold as, but albino emerines aren't really green at all, if that's what you're going for. They just look like high contrast albinos.

I never said they were green or thats what i was goin for... I'm goin for an Extreme Emerine... Yes, Emerine stands for Emerald & Tangerine, but not all Emerines have green... If they have green or lime green, i think they are Emeralds or Lime Emerines.

...and there really isn't any green on my Emerine, that i can see as of now anyway... some may come in as he grows, but i think this will pretty much be his colors...

 

[StatikStepz]

also, an emerine can be an albino without being an extreme emerine.

Well i know that, but what i'm askin is, is how can i make an Extreme Emerine...?!?!? lol Does any1, or has any1 worked with these or read up on these?

 

[StatikStepz]

Here's pix of the 2 i am speakin of... the 1st pic is my (F) Jungle Emerine, and the 2nd is my (M) Sunglow Enigma...

...So these 2 together would be my best start at creating an E.E.? (being as i don't think it gets too much more "high contrast" than that sunglow... the cell phone pix don't do it any justice... he's pretty much neon orange all over, lol)

 

[Wandering Paddle]

You arent going to get extreme emerines from that pair, you need much more color for that, but that pair makes much more sense than the emerine x tremper jungle.

You are not going to get what you are breeding toward anytime soon without another emerine or an extreme emerine. You will only be getting nice tangs and sunglows, 50% of which should be enigma...

 

[StatikStepz]

...So to get an Extreme Emerine and what i am trying to accomplish, i'd have to take my Emerine n breed it to get an Emerine het Albino, and then take that baby and breed it to an Albino Emerine?

...Is that what i am gathering from this, or no?

 

[Wandering Paddle]

You could eventually create some nice colored geckos, but for an EE you would need to get one from RT and breed it to your emerine. You could potentially breed albino emerines together for the rest of your life and never produce an EE

 

[StatikStepz]

ok, so here's an idea... what if i take a Emerine het RAPTOR n breed it to my Jungle Emerine, n then breed that baby back to the Emerine het RAPTOR...?!?! Would that do the trick?

...That seems to me like it'd make a "Top Color version of an albino Emerine"... yes? no? lolll... sorry, just really wanna make one! I like em alot, but don't wanna pay the money for them that they are, lol... i'd rather have the fun of creating my own!

 

[ILoveGeckos14]

I think what you are missing is all the hard work that goes into making a line. It doesn't come from one pairing and one year of line breeding. There are breeders who have been doing it for years just to have thier own lines. Just something to consider, good luck on your project!

 

[StatikStepz]

I guess i was missing that... i wasnt thinkin that it'd be as difficult as i had originally thought. I hadn't really thought of it as "creating my own line"... which now, when said like that, sounds even more appealing, lol... But yeah, I've never really "created" anything yet, all i've done is just bred leo's together with the same genes to create another, or bred leo's together from an already existing line... thats why i was excited with this Emerine that i just recently acquired, because i was goin to try n take it one step further and make it an Extreme, and also add the Enigma gene to make it a "Triple E"... an Extreme Emerine Enigma, and to date, i think there has only been 1 ever created (so now you see where my excitement came from, lol).

 

[Wandering Paddle]

More than one EEE has been created... but all by Ron.

Dont get the wrong idea, you will produce some good looking geckos with what you have, you just wont be able to call them extreme emerines because thats not what they are going to be.

 

[Psychedelicgeckos]

Hello, I will tell you my experience. 2 years ago I bought a female Raptor Emerine cross with a breeder in Mexico... I stayed with the idea of working the line since in Mexico we have few breeders working on something specific, the majority crosses for the sake of crossing. Well, the joke is that last year I bought a male Blood Emerine het Raptor... I crossed them this season and he gave me 2 beautiful Extreme Emerine offspring, 1 Emerine with a Jungle pattern that many associate with the Clown and some Raptor Emerine that in my opinion The Eclipse affects the phenotype quite a bit... so you could say that with 1 cross and 1 visual there is a possibility that an Extreme Emerine will come out without a problem.

 

[Yvonne G]

The original poster hasn't been on the Forum since 2012. This is a very old thread. However, your post was interesting. I'd love to see pictures of your offspring. Maybe start a new thread.

 

[Psychedelicgeckos]

The original poster hasn't been on the Forum since 2012. This is a very old thread. However, your post was interesting. I'd love to see pictures of your offspring. Maybe start a new thread.

Yes I understand that it is an old post, but at least I who have wanted to work the line have had a hard time finding information about it... so it was easy for me to give a contribution in case someone in the future is interested in working on the ExEm... I liked it, it is one of the most beautiful lines there is and the least exploited.