Tremper Bell Albino ?

[Kristof]

Hello Everyone!

I'm starting to get into breeding for next season and had a question about morphs. If i breed my female Tremper albino, with my friends male bell albino, What will I get? I know breeding two albinos is frowned upon, I'm just getting into this hobby and would like to breed some geckos! Thanks in advance!

- Kristof

 

[Neon Aurora]

You would get normals het bell and tremper. Geckos that are het tremper and bell will be very hard to sell. No responsible breeder would buy one.

I would highly recommend getting another gecko with more compatible genetics. Another tremper albino would not cost very much. I also see you are young. I also wanted to breed when I was 16, but didn't understand just how much responsibility it is. It takes a lot of work and money, and it took me several years to build up enough money to do it right. Some things to consider before breeding leopard geckos: Do you have the space to house 10-20 hatchlings? Are you willing and able to keep these geckos for as long as it takes to find them new homes or indefinitely if you can't? Do you have a market for hatchlings? Do you have enough money for food and vet bills, as well as equipment?

I would also highly recommend gaining a better understanding of genetics before attempting to breed.

There is no rush, you know. There is nothing wrong and everything right with taking a step back, making sure you are totally prepared (financially, space, time, etc), and making sure you have decent stock so that you can breed responsibly. =) I would recommend spending time researching, learning about leopard geckos and talking to more experienced breeders. You can use the time that this takes to save up a small amount of money to buy a second tremper albino and buy all of the equipment you need.

 

[Kristof]

You would get normals het bell and tremper. Geckos that are het tremper and bell will be very hard to sell. No responsible breeder would buy one.

I would highly recommend getting another gecko with more compatible genetics. Another tremper albino would not cost very much. I also see you are young. I also wanted to breed when I was 16, but didn't understand just how much responsibility it is. It takes a lot of work and money, and it took me several years to build up enough money to do it right. Some things to consider before breeding leopard geckos: Do you have the space to house 10-20 hatchlings? Are you willing and able to keep these geckos for as long as it takes to find them new homes or indefinitely if you can't? Do you have a market for hatchlings? Do you have enough money for food and vet bills, as well as equipment?

I would also highly recommend gaining a better understanding of genetics before attempting to breed.

There is no rush, you know. There is nothing wrong and everything right with taking a step back, making sure you are totally prepared (financially, space, time, etc), and making sure you have decent stock so that you can breed responsibly. =) I would recommend spending time researching, learning about leopard geckos and talking to more experienced breeders. You can use the time that this takes to save up a small amount of money to buy a second tremper albino and buy all of the equipment you need.

Thanks for your words of wisdom! I have purchased a rack from CSerpents, so I am able to house all the babies I get. I have done some research and I can afford all the necessities I want to do this because I have a lot of free time (I only go to school twice a week) and I love reptiles. What would be the best way to get an understanding of basic genetics?

Also, would you recommend just getting another tremper? Or what other morphs would be a good pair for her?

Thanks for the reply!

 

[Neon Aurora]

Glad to hear that you have thought ahead and bought a rack. =)

Here is a good place to start with learning simple genetics of leopard gecko Leopard Gecko Genetics - GeckoBoa Reptiles I would recommend reading that very thoroughly (including the ethics part!) and returning to this thread with any questions you still have.
Here is a genetics calculator Leopard Gecko Genetics Calculator This is useful for testing combinations, and even testing yourself on how well you understand this stuff. For example, you could make up a pairing you think would be appealing and then use your new knowledge on how traits are inherited to guess the outcomes and use the calculator to check yourself.
Here is a guide on drawing punnett squares. Baby Steps through Punnet Squares Calculators are great, but you can gain a better understanding of how the genes are moving around if you learn how to use punnett squares.

As for other morphs, you could go many different directions. It depends on what you're looking for and how much money you are willing to spend. The first question would be are you 100% positive that your gecko is a tremper albino? Responsible breeders always know exactly what they are breeding and why. For example, I have a mack snow rainwater albino patternless who I am pretty sure is what he was sold to me as. However, I didn't feel I could trust the source well enough to be sure, so I decided not to use him in my breeding projects. If you are not 100% sure of your gecko's genetics, then you may consider buying a new pair whose genetics are known. That way, you could start literally any project you want to.

Go ahead and read through those resources I gave you and then feel free to post any questions. I am happy to advise further, but it is much easier to do so when someone has a bit of background in genetics and morphs.

 

[Kristof]

Glad to hear that you have thought ahead and bought a rack. =)

Here is a good place to start with learning simple genetics of leopard gecko Leopard Gecko Genetics - GeckoBoa Reptiles I would recommend reading that very thoroughly (including the ethics part!) and returning to this thread with any questions you still have.
Here is a genetics calculator Leopard Gecko Genetics Calculator This is useful for testing combinations, and even testing yourself on how well you understand this stuff. For example, you could make up a pairing you think would be appealing and then use your new knowledge on how traits are inherited to guess the outcomes and use the calculator to check yourself.
Here is a guide on drawing punnett squares. Baby Steps through Punnet Squares Calculators are great, but you can gain a better understanding of how the genes are moving around if you learn how to use punnett squares.

As for other morphs, you could go many different directions. It depends on what you're looking for and how much money you are willing to spend. The first question would be are you 100% positive that your gecko is a tremper albino? Responsible breeders always know exactly what they are breeding and why. For example, I have a mack snow rainwater albino patternless who I am pretty sure is what he was sold to me as. However, I didn't feel I could trust the source well enough to be sure, so I decided not to use him in my breeding projects. If you are not 100% sure of your gecko's genetics, then you may consider buying a new pair whose genetics are known. That way, you could start literally any project you want to.

Go ahead and read through those resources I gave you and then feel free to post any questions. I am happy to advise further, but it is much easier to do so when someone has a bit of background in genetics and morphs.

Thanks for the information! I don't know if my leo is het for anything, but she is a tremper albino. I might take your advice and wait a little before i breed her/others. I would like to buy a 2nd rack as mine only can hold 8 adult leos. Could i house two babies together? Also since yesterday I've been researching genetics and think i have a fair understanding. I wrote this - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JgL-1D_9UNrcHl3CGSUda_4cw4_hLc7AXgFXJ_6d8Xs/edit?usp=sharing for my reference. Does this look correct? Thanks so much again!

 

[acpart]

I do house my hatchlings in pairs, though some people prefer not to. I separate them if one is getting much bigger than the other (in which case I may re-combine my pairs based on size). When they get bigger, I often take down the partitions in my enclosures so instead of 3 pairs of hatchlings, each in 1/3 of a 20 gallon long size enclosure, I have 6 in one big enclosure (please note that this set-up is for small juvies, not adult geckos). If you're asking whether you can house geckos that come from different places together, you can as long as:
--new geckos are quarantined individually for at least a month
--you're not housing 2 males or male and female together
-- no bullying is going on.

Aliza

 

[Kristof]

I do house my hatchlings in pairs, though some people prefer not to. I separate them if one is getting much bigger than the other (in which case I may re-combine my pairs based on size). When they get bigger, I often take down the partitions in my enclosures so instead of 3 pairs of hatchlings, each in 1/3 of a 20 gallon long size enclosure, I have 6 in one big enclosure (please note that this set-up is for small juvies, not adult geckos). If you're asking whether you can house geckos that come from different places together, you can as long as:
--new geckos are quarantined individually for at least a month
--you're not housing 2 males or male and female together
-- no bullying is going on.

Aliza

Alright, Thanks so much!

 

[Neon Aurora]

Your google docs looks correct. =) Although, a Hybino does not need to be carrot tail. A hybino is a super hypo albino. There is, however, still a lot of information you can add to it! Make sure to read through the links I gave you, and always ask questions if you have them.

Also, about your supplementation. You can definitely use those ones! I just thought I would give you another option. Repashy Calcium Plus is an all-in-one supplement (so all necessary vitamins, minerals, including calcium) that is very easy to use. It's what I use. But that is up to you.

 

[Kristof]

Your google docs looks correct. =) Although, a Hybino does not need to be carrot tail. A hybino is a super hypo albino. There is, however, still a lot of information you can add to it! Make sure to read through the links I gave you, and always ask questions if you have them.

Also, about your supplementation. You can definitely use those ones! I just thought I would give you another option. Repashy Calcium Plus is an all-in-one supplement (so all necessary vitamins, minerals, including calcium) that is very easy to use. It's what I use. But that is up to you.

Thanks! And i think i might start using repashy then! Didn't know that about it.