True Leucisitc leopard gecko

[Halley]

I’ve noticed that with ball pythons most if not all the leucisitc that they get are super forms of other co-dom morphs. Is it possible to get a leucisitc that is a recessive or dominate trait? And for leopard geckos will we have to wait for a co-dom morph to get a true leucisitc?

 

[paulh]

Leucistic Texas rat snakes are pretty common in the pet trade. This is caused by a recessive mutant gene.

Whatever you can convince people is a leucistic is a "true" leucistic. It could be caused by either a recessive mutant gene or some sort of dominant mutant gene. You guess is as good as mine as to when it will turn up in leopard geckos.

 

[LeopardLunatic]

The Blizzard leopard gecko is the "true" leucistic though they used to call patternless leos leucistic they are not. And yes Blizzard is a recessive trait

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

The Blizzard leopard gecko is the "true" leucistic though they used to call patternless leos leucistic they are not.

Do you have scientific data to back this up? Can you provide a definition of luecistic that matches a description of a blizzard leopard gecko?


Sorry Nick, I don't have an answer for ya.

 

[LeopardLunatic]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leucism

now im sure the first thing some will say is "Blizzards are not completely lacking pigment" and while this is true take a look at the bottom of that page and you will see not all animals that are luecistic are completely white

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

You are not alone, it's a thought that many share but I do not.

There is at least one other thread here that discuss the possibility of a Blizzard being a leucistic so I digress.

 

[LeopardLunatic]

I just feel given the fact that its a recessive gene that just popped up out of nowhere one day what else would ya call it? sure its a genetic mutation but so is Leucism really it just seems if it were something else it wouldnt so closely resemble Leucism just my opinion

 

[brad.a.c]

Hmm, this is an interesting thread. I love reading all the experts on here talk about genetics, it helps you learn something.

 

[LeopardLunatic]

id hardly call my self an expert im just an enthusiast that claims to know a thing or two about genetics

 

[boutiquegecko]

Dj, so how come you believe blizzards and not pattys are leucistic? Just curious why you pick one over the other?

 

[LeopardLunatic]

Patties dont have the color absence that Blizzards do a patty is just a normal lacking spots and Leucism is the lacking of all pigmentation

 

[LeopardLunatic]

oh and the fact that Blizzards are a solid color whereas a patternless has a yellow body with a purpleish tail sometimes with a good amount of carrotail Blizzards reject the carrotail gene and the most anyone has ever gotten is a a barely noticeable amount

 

[paulh]

I just feel given the fact that its a recessive gene that just popped up out of nowhere one day what else would ya call it?

You could always call it white.

sure its a genetic mutation but so is Leucism really it just seems if it were something else it wouldnt so closely resemble Leucism just my opinion

If a mutant gene produces a trait very similar to a different mutant gene, it is called a mimic. Mutants that produce very similar traits include anerythristic and charcoal in the corn snake; Kahl albino and Sharp albino in the boa constrictor; Tremper albino, Bell albino, and Rainwater albino in the leopard gecko; dominant yellow and recessive yellow in the mouse; and that's just the tip of the mimic iceberg.

 

[brad.a.c]

id hardly call my self an expert im just an enthusiast that claims to know a thing or two about genetics

Well, even if YOU don't claim to be an expert anybody that knows a thing or two about genetics is an expert compared to me, lol.

 

[Halley]

Okay so what it seems like is that the difference between albinism and Leucism is that leucistics organisms don’t produce pigment of any kind at all, and albinos don’t produce black pigment. So this leads me to another question, when an animal is pure white, why is it called sometimes called an albino, and not leucisitc? Are we simply going off of what the eyes look like? As in albinos you can see the blood vessels. And in leucisitc, the eye appears some what normal, or in BPs some are black, and others blue.

Then the other question I have, is for leucistics it says they don’t produce any pigment, at first (as far as I know) blizzards where yellow, they have been line breed to be white, as you see them today. You could also breed a Patty to be as white as a blizzard. So technically would a blizzard be a “true” albino? As I think the albinos we have (Tremper, Rainwater, Bell) are a sub-category of albinism. I cannot remember what they call it though.

 

[Ccrashca069]

Basicly there still isn't any "true Leucisitc " Leopard Gecko yet. No morph has been proven to be yet.

 

[LeopardLunatic]

when an animal is pure white, why is it called sometimes called an albino, and not leucisitc? Are we simply going off of what the eyes look like? As in albinos you can see the blood vessels. And in leucisitc, the eye appears some what normal, or in BPs some are black, and others blue.

thats pretty much it.Also technically the Dialbo Blanco would be a true albino with solid red eyes and a solid white body.

 

[Halley]

thats pretty much it.Also technically the Dialbo Blanco would be a true albino with solid red eyes and a solid white body.

Technically how could it. The red eyes are not from the albino, they are from the eclipse eye, and the white body isn’t always white is it. And can you really considered are combination morph, to be an albino? And if so wouldn’t the super R.A.P.T.O.R. or Super Nova really be much closer?

But I guess I need to know if I have this right.

Albino= no black pigment?
Leucistics = 0 pigment what so ever?
Xanthic= No yellow pigment?

 

[paulh]

The term albino is older. The Portugese originally applied it to African blacks with white to pink patches of skin back in the 1400s. Leucistic is relatively recent.

Mammals have only melanin-based pigments, so an albino mammal that lacks all melanin is white with pink eyes. In reptiles, albinos have no melanin pigment in either the skin or eyes, but they may have red, yellow, or blue pigment. On the other hand, leucistic reptiles usually have some pigment in the eye but none in the skin.

Albino plants have no chlorophyll.

Albino can be the name for a mutant gene, or it can be a description. There is no "true", one and only albino in leopard geckos because no mutant has been given the unique name "albino". Tremper albino, Rainwater albino, and Bell albino leopard geckos fit the description reasonably well, but none of them has the unmodified name.

Axanthic means no yellow pigment.

 

[LeopardLunatic]

Technically how could it. The red eyes are not from the albino, they are from the eclipse eye, and the white body isn’t always white is it.

I apologize i was unaware the red eyes came from the eclipse gene (which is weird since being red i would have thought it had to be albino related) as for the white body albinos arent absent of color pigmentation but rather melanin so it could be yellow slightly. The DB isnt like bright yellow anyway its kind of a yellow tint other wise it would have been named Diablo Amarillo (at least anyone who knows basic Spanish would name it so)