Trying to make this work.

[hoppslover]

So I am using the Genetics Wizard. Seems I am no Wizard as I can not tell if I am doing this right or not. So if someone could please help me it would be WONDERFUL. lol So I have a male that is normal. I was told that he is het for Murphy Patternless and Tremper Albino. I have a female Normal that I have no idea of what the background is. So I went to the Wizard and entered the info as 3 traits.
1 normal
2 patternless
3 albino
For the Male I entered Homozygous for normal and het for patternless and albino.
For the Female I entered Homozygous for normal and WT for patternless and albino.
The dominant and Codominant I enter nothing for either as I dont know what it is asking. I know I am stupid. The results it gave me are.

25% Homozygous normal,
25% Homozygous normal, Het. albino,
25% Homozygous normal, Het. patternless,
25% Homozygous normal, Het. patternless, Het. albino,


Did I do this right??? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also how do I know what babies are het for what? Does it take more breading of them back to the father?
Thanks Tim

 

[Halley]

You did it right, but it doesn’t change the results if you enter co-dom, or Dom. It just gives you a note on the bottom. The ratios are right, but here is what you will get, with the percentage for hets

100% Normal, 50% het Patternless, 50% het Albino

 

[hoppslover]

So I would see nothing but normals out of this match up? Breeding the babies back to Dad would probably give me some chances for patternless and albinos?
I have that one male that is normal het patternless and het albino. Next breeding season I will be breeding him to a patternless female, a tremper albino female, and a giant tremper albino female. I am hoping to get some good patternless and albinos out of those pairings. Also hoping to get a giant or two. Which I will probably breed all of the giant Albino eggs to be male.

 

[paulh]

The Wizard wants genes, not traits. Traits are what you see; genes are pieces of DNA inside the cell which act on the cellular machinery to produce traits. The major mistake was to enter three pairs of genes. Those geckos only have two pairs of genes of interest .

The male is het patternless and het albino. That means that he has a patternless mutant gene paired with a normal (or wild type = WT) gene. And he has an albino mutant gene paired with a normal (= wild type = WT) gene. (But which albino gene???)

The corresponding genes in the female are unknown, so the best guess is two pairs of WT genes.

Try the wizard again and let us know what comes out.

 

[hoppslover]

The het for albino is tremper. Ok I understand that you are telling me genes and not traits, but when I use the wizard the first thing it says is: Choose the total number of mutant genetic traits you want considered. So I guess if I wasn't confused before I definitely am now. I know it shouldn't be this difficult. lol

 

[Halley]

So I would see nothing but normals out of this match up?

Yeah, nothing but normals, unless the female is het for albino, or patternless.

Breeding the babies back to Dad would probably give me some chances for patternless and albinos?

Yeah, you would have a shot at it

The Wizard wants genes, not traits. Traits are what you see; genes are pieces of DNA inside the cell which act on the cellular machinery to produce traits. The major mistake was to enter three pairs of genes. Those geckos only have two pairs of genes of interest .

The male is het patternless and het albino. That means that he has a patternless mutant gene paired with a normal (or wild type = WT) gene. And he has an albino mutant gene paired with a normal (= wild type = WT) gene. (But which albino gene???)

The corresponding genes in the female are unknown, so the best guess is two pairs of WT genes.

Try the wizard again and let us know what comes out.

Yeah technically “normal” is a phenotype, not a genotype. Paul pretty much explained it all though.

 

[hoppslover]

So maybe I have this straight now. So with my normal male het tremper albino and het patternless, and my female normal. I would enter into the wizard 2 traits. so lets say that I am still stupid and since I dont know what to write into the boxes that I just write Gene1 and Gene2. Next where it says male do I put a mark in the WT for both gene1 and gene2? Also for the female do I put a check in WT for both gene1 and gene2. If this is so it says 100% WT.

 

[hoppslover]

Maybe you could walk me threw what I would need to enter if I was to breed my Normal male het tremper albino and het patternless to my tremper albino female. Maybe if I could see what you guys enter when you do the wizard it would help a slow minded person like me out. lol thanks for the help

 

[paulh]

No problem.

I went to the wizard -- http://www.geneticswizard.com/f_start_genetics_wizard.asp

Number of abnormal traits: click on 2

(I'll have to ask Barry to change the wording.)

Then click on the Build Query Form button.

Gene 1: enter Tremper albino. Do not click in either the dominant or codominant box.
Male is heterozygous meaning it is a wild type gene paired with a Tremper albino mutant gene.
Female is WT, meaning she has two wild type genes.

Gene 2: enter patternless. Do not click in either the dominant or codominant box.
Male is heterozygous meaning it is a wild type gene paired with a patternless mutant gene.
Female is WT, meaning she has two wild type genes.

Click on Ask the Wizard button.

Answer:
25% WT
25% Het. patternless,
25% Het. Tremper albino,
25% Het. Tremper albino, Het. patternless,

25% in each category means that we expect
25% of the babies to have two pairs of wild type or normal genes
25% of the babies to have a pair or wild type genes and a pair of genes made up of a wild type gene and a patternless mutant gene.
25% of the babies to have a pair or wild type genes and a pair of genes made up of a wild type gene and a Tremper albino mutant gene.
25% of the babies to have a pair or genes made up of a wild type gene and a patternless mutant gene and a pair of genes made up of a wild type gene and a Tremper albino mutant gene.

Both the Tremper albino mutant gene and the patternless mutant gene are recessive to their corresponding wild type genes. When a recessive mutant gene is paired with a wild type gene, the animal looks normal. So all of those babies look normal. The only way to figure out what mutant genes (if any) a baby has is to do a breeding test to a Temper albino and a patternless leo.

 

[hoppslover]

ok that makes alot more sence. thanks for the info Paul.

 

[paulnj]

Sorry but here's the REAL answer to your question from THIS genetics wizard.....

normal het patty and tremper X normal unknown background gives(unless het patty or tremper)

ALL normals with a 50% chance of being het tremper, het patty or both. not one single hatchling will be 100% het for any trait.

I think Nick was saying that, but I am reading it as to say what the geneticswizards wrongly gave you.

 

[paulh]

Actually, both the Wizard and Paulnj are mostly right.

The Wizard was 100% right as far as it goes. It simply assumes that the user knows enough genetics to realize that a creature that is heterozygous for one or more recessive mutant genes looks normal.

Paulnj is right when he wrote that each baby has a 50% chance of being het Tremper albino and a 50% chance of being het patternless. The Wizard says the same thing, but in the form of gene combinations, which Paulnj does not give.

Some of the babies actually are 100% probability het Tremper albino, and some of the babies actually are 100% probability het patternless. (100% probability het is a long way of saying het.) You just don't know which are het and which are not het when they hatch. It takes a breeding test to show what the hidden genes are. The genes in a given animal do not change. The 50% probability is simply a measure of your uncertainty of the genes' identities before the breeding test.

Hope that helps.

 

[paulnj]

I was speaking as to what they are called when sold. I know full well that if I get 2 normal 50% het trempers that odds are that one is indeed a het tremper, while one isn't.

The genetics wizard is correct, but it's confusing to some people.