Very simple questions about red stripes

[Sandra]

- What are they? Recessive or line-bred?

- What is a 'racing red stripe'? I have read it a few times but I'm not sure about what it is (I think I saw someone say that they are Bell albino red stripes, but I'm not sure).

 

[Sandra]

Ok.. I'll try it again.

According to what I have read, red stripes are line bred. Their founders (HQreptiles) tell you in their webpage about the process of selective breeding they made, and it seems that red stripe crossing produces a wide range of aberrant patterns, not only red stripes.

But if aptors are albino patternless red stripes and reverse stripes, and it isn't clear that these morphs are genetic, how can one say that you have an 'aptor het'?

I would like that someone explained this to me, because I'm so confused about these morphs...

 

[Stitch]

A.P.T.O.R. = a Carrot-head, Carrot-tail, Hypo Tangerine, Patternless, Tremper Albino.

No red stripe in APTOR's. As for the name "Racing Red Stripe" I believe it's just another name for Red Stripes. Ron Tremper has CARROT-HEAD, CARROT-TAIL, REVERSE STRIPE, GIANT ALBINO het for RAPTOR. I don't know if that makes them APTOR, because they are not labeled so. If the gecko displays some of the APTOR traits and are het for the rest of them then it would be considered het for APTOR.

Does any of that make sense?

 

[Sandra]

I know they may not look like stripes, but if you look at the non-albino version of the aptor, it looks very similar to a super hypomelanistic stripe -no dots in the torso but some in their head and tail-. You can see the stripe clearly in the tail, and sometimes some shades of the stripe in the back. It's also visible in the albino ones but to a lesser extent.

I think it was Shanti who told me, that non-albino aptors are called Patternless Red Stripes outside the Tremper bloodline, and that they pop up from red stripe crosses and most aptors I've seen in photos show some kind of stripe.

I think that Tremper doesn't consider them aptors when they have some quantity of white color in their bodies, because all geckos labeled as aptors that I've seen are completely colored. What I do think is that an aptor is just a carrot head, carrot tail, tangerine, high quality hybino red/reverse stripe. All these traits but the albino condition are believed to be line bred. So when you have an het for aptor you only have an het for albino with an high possibility of turning out pretty due to its parents heredity. If the red stripe is genetic, then it would be a double het for albino and RS.

Can anyone please corroborate this? I'm so confused when it refers to aptors and stripes...

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Since APTORs are albinos, and albino is a recessive gene, technically you can have hets.

 

[Sandra]

Then you can have hets for Tremper albino, but there is no guarantee that they will inherit the rest of traits that make them aptors. Is that right?

 

[BalloonzForU]

Correct. I have a female that's a non albino aptor, but poss het tremper, that's what makes her poss het APTOR.

The patternless in the aptors and raptors are Patternless Stripes. Pattenless Stripes are from Stripe x Reverse Stripe breeding. It's really a luck of the draw getting a true APTOR.

 

[trizzypballr]

so that's why they say that raptors have a different patternless gene, because technically its just stripe and reverse stripe together? now I'm pretty confused to thought, because I thought stripe and reverse stripe are linebread? how r there het aptor n raptor then?

 

[BalloonzForU]

the only thing that makes them het is the tremper albino gene.

 

[trizzypballr]

then how comes so many people are selling het aptors and het raptors that are homozygus albino? I'm so confused now

 

[Sandra]

When they say that their animals are het raptor I think they refer to the solid color eyes, not the body color. Otherwise it would be absurd. But I've never seen a person sell an albino as het aptor.

 

[ThunderGekko]

RAPTOR= Red eyed Albino Patternless Tremper ORange

Red eye = Recessive gene (Don't know if spelling is correct)
Albino = Also Recessive gene
Patternless = new gene, Tremper claims it comes from his patterless designers, and has says its also a Recessive gene. (Don't know this for sure..)
Orange = Linebred (Polygenetic I believe)

So you can have Raptor and Aptor hets.
I have 2 super hypo het. for Raptor, 1 albino het. for Raptor, and a giant hyglo het. for Raptor.
I'm breeding them to my Raptor male, so next season i can show it's possible.
From making hets, the only risk is losing the linebred part...
But you can also make that part better.

 

[BalloonzForU]

Well.......I guess an albino could be het aptor or raptor. I have a stripe Tremper that could in fact have aptor offspring. Now are the odds good? I don't think so, unless I have an aptor to breed her with.

If a normal banded Leo can produce striped offspring then there is something going on in the stripe genes that we are not understandding yet. I think this goes back to some stripes maybe recessive discussion.


LOL and you thought this was a simple question! lol

 

[trizzypballr]

but see the tangerine being line bread is yet another thing that throws me for a loop, the first leos i bought when getting into breeding was a 1.2 group of hybinos het RAPTORs, what i dont understand, is that my hybinos arnt tangerine, how would they make a RAPTOR if tangerine is line bread? I trust the person i bought them from, just dont understand the genetics part.

 

[trizzypballr]

another example of it, was checking out garricks site, he is selling het aptors, and they are yellow, how would the reproduce an orange gecko? prime example, go to his site, and to leopard gecko availability, the top right gecko is a yellow het aptor

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Trizzy, I understand where you're coming from. I questioned this a long time ago on Fauna.

Saying "het APTOR/RAPTOR" technically is incorrect if you look at the break down. Obviously Orange (or Tangerine) shouldn't be included in the het if you're trying to use terms correctly. Albino (Tremper) is recessive obviously, so no worries about useing that. I believe the "Patternless" involved has been proven to not be recessive (their is a thread some where on here from Dan explaining his findings). The Eclipse (or "red eye" when referring to the Albino form) I don't believe is recessive either since apparantly it's not all that easy to reproduce.

Instead of looking at the break down, look at the tradename. When I purchase a gecko "het" APTOR or RAPTOR I do not consider it actually het for APTOR/RAPTOR. I only assume that it is from an APTOR/RAPTOR parent and is het Albino.

I've attached a pick of my new girl from crestedgecko.com who is "het" APTOR. :main_thumbsup:

 

[KellyTCS]

Ahhh, you clear my brain! Thanks, and nice gecko! What morph is that?

 

[Sandra]

LOL and you thought this was a simple question! lol

Well, the initial question was if red stripes are a genetic or a line bred trait :main_rolleyes:

It turned out to be what I thought, that there is no such thing as 'het aptor' literally said.

Stephanie, you have such a cute girl there

 

[trizzypballr]

so the only possible way to get a raptor is to breed 2 raptors together? or at least have 1 parent be a raptor and the other a tang tremper albino?

 

[Jeanne]

another example of it, was checking out garricks site, he is selling het aptors, and they are yellow, how would the reproduce an orange gecko? prime example, go to his site, and to leopard gecko availability, the top right gecko is a yellow het aptor

I have a Snakle Eyed RAPTOR that isn't very Tang, but it is still a RAPTOR, just not really a Top-Of-The-LIne-One I guess