What do you guys think? (Dan Poe situation)

[Mel&Keith]

We have two females from him that will never be bred again (obviously) and we're going to find pet home for the babies. That being said:

One female has had two babies hatch so far (a lot of infertiles), one with a gimp foot and the other missing it's leg almost entirely.

We re-bred the Raptor female since we were getting infertiles but couldn't get her to stop laying and hatched a raptor with 3 toes on one foot.

I have to believe that it's genetic since the only common thread is that they came from his lines. The males we bred them to did not produce any deformed offspring with other females.


I just sent him this email:

(subject) I thought you'd want to know
We out crossed the (reverse stripe albino X Red Stripe) female we got from you and so far we've gotten 2 babies, one with a gimp foot and one with a missing leg. All of the other offspring from the male we bred her to have been normal. Diabla's last baby (after she was re-bred to an unrelated male) only has 3 toes on one foot. There haven't been any temperature fluctuations and those are the only leg abnormalities we've encountered all season. We're going to place all of those geckos in pet only homes. I just thought you might like to know since it seems like more than a coincidence. I would want to know if the situation were reversed so...
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- Mel




Do you guys think I handled that correctly? And have you had any experience with foot and leg deformities?

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

I think you handled it very professionally.
I am having some issues with him myself at this time.
Nothing to do with any animals from him though. lol

Expect his reply to be brash, belittling, and defensive.
Cut your loses and write him off.

Just my opinion.
Now if only I could follow my own advice. lol

 

[Grinning Geckos]

I think you handled it very well!

 

[Mel&Keith]

Well, as I should have already known...the defects were my fault.

(his reply)
"Hi, sorry to hear about that, I do not know what could have caused that. I have had no problems with any of my breedings besides a very small amount of tail kinking on a gecko or two. That is an outcrossed line(PRS) and if you bred her to an unrelated gecko, I do not know what could have happened.

Diabla came straight from the inbred Trempers, but she gave me perfect babies when bred to her outcrossed half brother, who had at least half of the same genetics as her.

I also have had no problems from the PRS`s siblings, when bred to Diabla`s Aptor father. It was one of mine, not the JMG I sent you?

I think that the amount of humidity during incubation affects them more than temperature. I had premies, and deformities my first two years, but have had no problems this year using only 50% water/ perlite.

Well thanks for letting me know. I would try a bit less water in your inc. containers

Thanks

Dan"


It's not like I'd ever buy anything from him again anyway but I had a tiny bit of hope that he might not completely blame it one me. Oh, well! I'm not sure if I should even reply...

 

[PaulSage]

I have hatched a lot of fucked up looking babies, but none that were missing any feet/toes/legs/limbs/etc. I don't see how incubation humidity could have caused it. If eggs are too dry they shrivel up. If they're too wet they mold over. I am doubtful that incubation temperatures and/or consistency could be to blame. My temperatures were fluctuating for a week or so this summer, and I had a few fucked up tails come out from totally random projects/morphs. I also had those babies that hatched & died right away (still not exactly sure why) but they were flawless--just dead. I've neither seen nor heard of a gecko with missing limbs/feet that wasn't the result of an injury or stuck shed.

Therefore, my opinion is that it is a genetic flaw. If I had sold the gecko, I would definitely want to know. I wouldn't risk my reputation over one gecko, either. If someone told me what you guys told Dan, I would have offered a refund for the gecko, or a comparable replacement animal.

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

He is such a pleasant fellow. He knows everything!!
He has a double doctorate in genetic engineering and microbiology.
Unfortunately neither of those course regimens requires you to brush your teeth. :main_lipsrsealed:

You are STUPID for even questioning Dan. :main_rolleyes:

He is the best, my new hero. (sorry Marcia you've been bumped)

I think that he has been telling people that he is smarter than them for so long now, he actually believes it himself. Everyone owes him something for all the hard work he has put in. He single handedly figured out how to make RAPTORS. He developed the patternless red stripe and was the first to make many new mack snow crosses with his ill-gotten animals.
BOW DOWN!!!
Take the time to thank him properly. I know that I will the next time he crawls out from under his rock!!












Thanks for letting me rant!!! :main_thumbsup: I guess I was due. :main_rolleyes:

 

[Grinning Geckos]

Wait, does Ron have some competetion? Maybe we can get them to fight. Battle of the Gecko Gods.

 

[PaulSage]

Oh Jeremy just admit it. You're just jealous that Dan ... um ... hmmm ... knows more than mother nature? I mean, I would like to see the look on her face when he informs her that an animal can be "het" for a trait that is not recessive.

 

[Mel&Keith]

Wow Jeremy, I think that's the most riled up I've ever heard you! LMAO
Maybe you should rant more often, it's probably good for you.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Dan Poe is the epitome of genetic inbreeding himself. (Does anyone else hear the theme song for Deliverance playing on a banjo in the background?) There is a reason this guy is 30 years old and still living with his mom!

Did I ever tell you MY story with Dan Poe and why I don't respond to any of his posts? Well... here goes:

I own a LOT of gecko domain names, and 'Groovy Geckos' was one of them. I owned the domain www.groovygeckos.com for a l-o-n-g time before Dan even started posting as GroovyGeckos. When he finally decided to get that domain name and build his own website, I had just renewed all of my domains and he found out I owned it. He accused me of buying the name out from under him, and claimed Groovy Geckos was HIS idea and I was jealous of it and bought it without consulting him first. He threatened to go to the BOI and sue me over it!

Anyway, I didn't even want to be associated with 'Groovy Geckos' since he had tainted the name with his spew, and I told him if he wanted it he would have to buy it from me! I dared him to post anything about it on Fauna, and invited him to seek legal representation... and I had all the documentation to prove I owned the domain before anyone ever even heard of him. Needless to say, he bought the domain... LOL!!!

The best thing we can do is to boycott Dan Poe and his Groovy Geckos, and hope he just goes away.

 

[Mel&Keith]

That's just crazy! I don't think a boycott will be too difficult since I'm pretty sure he's still trying to sell the same "make your own" whatever groups from last year.

 

[Jeanne]

Dan Poe is my hero! I LOVE him! Cough...cough.... I think I just threw up my lunch!

 

[PaulSage]

When I turn 30 I want to move back in with my mom.














Wait... No I don't.

 

[Jeanne]

When I turn 30 I want to move back in with my mom.

HELL NO!!!! I Won't Go!

 

[Jeanne]

Oh wait, I am over 30 already!