What is an enigma classified as?

[LeosForLess]

Does anybody know what an enigma is classified as? Like how the bell albino is a t+ albino or whatever, a sunglow is an albino hypomelanistic hyper orange. We don't know for sure but blizzard being leucistic?

I know at first we thought it was an ocular albino, but that is out the window. So does anybody know or have any ideas?

 

[eyelids]

I think that the day that can be answered will be the day they're no longer called Enigmas... :smartass:

 

[LeosForLess]

I think that the day that can be answered will be the day they're no longer called Enigmas... :smartass:

lol ya. Maybe theres a geneticist out there somewhere that knows what it is. That would be cool if it were totally new! Kelli should coin it or somthing.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Why is it being an occular albino out of the question? This Leopard Gecko morph has black spots, and orange/amber colored eyes ALL ON IT`S OWN, without any of the known Albino strains present. That would make it a occular-albino in my book.

 

[Lottiz]

If enigma is co-dom and red eye enigma is the super form, then I don't think we need any other description, do we?

/Lottiz

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Enigma is dominant, there is no "super" form.

 

[Lottiz]

Ok, yes, ifound out red eyed enigmas is the albinoform

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

is it just non albino enigma and albino enigma

Yes.

Edit: OK

 

[Sandra]

lol ya. Maybe theres a geneticist out there somewhere that knows what it is. That would be cool if it were totally new! Kelli should coin it or somthing.

I'm sure there must be a medical term for it, after all it is a genetic disorder. I would like to know.

This Leopard Gecko morph has black spots, and orange/amber colored eyes ALL ON IT`S OWN, without any of the known Albino strains present

Even if the eyes aren't the normal color, I wouldn't say it's albinism. They don't resemble any other albino eyes I've ever seen at all. Also, some enigmas have a nice amount of black in the eyes.

Ok, why is some red eyed and others not? is it just non albino enigma and albino enima or what?

That's it. Red eyed enigmas are bell albino enigmas.

Edit: Uh, we were all late :S

 

[Lottiz]

Yes :main_laugh: ,
I just wounder because I've just order a red eye female and a normal eyed male from Kelli. It has been so many thoungts, maybe, I think, I belive...so I just had to pick up this post again

/Lottiz

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

"Ocular Albinism" is a medical term, for an strain of albino that only affects eye pigment. Since these Leos have much different/lighter eyes than a normal, but are able to have "normal" black coloration, on the body, they fit the description.

For now this has been my/the assumption, of what we are working with. Of course not everyone will agree. I still think it could be its own strain of Albinism.

IMO the non-Bell Enigmas do have a very "albino-ish" look to them, and they do have a much lighter color to their eyes. I am not sure what else it could be. Normals have very dark eyes, while the Enigmas do not have dark eyes, and they have light colored veins.

Gregg M posted a pic of his awhile back that very much looks like an albino. Again it would not be a Tremper, RW, or original Bell, but a new strain of "Bell" Albino. So how could you say it does not look like any other albino eye? I do not think there is any reason it should, look like another type.

I know that some of the Bell Enigmas(Red Eyeds), as Marcia has been posting, are more sensitive to light. I have noticed the same with mine, she can not see very well if there is some light in the room. She however does not seem to have a problem in the dark. I think that them being more sensitive to light than a Bell, may be because they are double homozygous for Bell, and the above mentioned "new type" of Ocular Albinism. What other genetic "morph" would affect an animals sensitivity to light?

 

[KelliH]

I think it's something other than ocular albinism. I think it is some sort of "masking" gene, that only allows certain "parts" of a trait to be expressed.

 

[Lottiz]

Kelli, Can you give some example?

/Lottiz

 

[eyelids]

Kelli, has the Tremper Enigma any spots?

I was thinking last night that maybe there was two genes in the original Enigmas. One that makes the Enigma and another that like you said, which only allows part of a trait to be expressed.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I think that whatever it is it should fit into real genetic terms, and there is no such thing as a "masking gene". I also do not see how the Enigma gene is masking any trait. The eyes are more intense with the Albino strain present, and the bodies of Enigmas look the same either way.

IMO Masking gene, sounds more like speaking of a recessive trait, which the Engimas are not. In fact the Enigma seems to compliment other genetic traits, not cover them up. There is no genetic condition, we know of, which would explain such a thing. Other than ocular albinism at this point.

Kelli, can you give any reasons why you do not think the Enigma is a form of ocular albinism?

When the shoe fits wear it, as the saying goes, of course I could still be wrong, but this is the only genetic description that fits. IDK but plain and simple there is not another genetic condition which affects eye color and sensitivity to light. What else could it be? If that can`t be answered, then there is no reason to even doubt it.

Albinos have poor eyesight and could eventually one day have eye problems. We all know this, and the Bell Enigmas are showing a trait that could be caused by them being double homozygous, for two strains of Albino.

 

[Lottiz]

Kelli, has the Tremper Enigma any spots?

I was thinking last night that maybe there was two genes in the original Enigmas. One that makes the Enigma and another that like you said, which only allows part of a trait to be expressed.

Not black spots anyway as Bell enigma does, if I got that point right :inquisitive:

 

[eyelids]

Not black spots anyway as Bell enigma does, if I got that point right :inquisitive:

Oops... I meant to type "has the Tremper Enigma gotten spots"...