what will i get?

[ReptiBonez17]

okay, i have 10 leopard geckos, i have two pregnant females.
I was hoping if i put what i have, you guys could give me a general idea of what im going to get through breeding.

I have three breedable males, and 3 breedable females)

Here's what ive got:

Males:
Chocolate tremper albino
Tremper albino
Mack Afghan (or thats what he was sold to me as)

Females:
Sunglow
Mack Snow Tremper albino
Super Hypo Tangerine



My current breedings are:
Tremper albino male X Mack Snow tremper albino female =????
Tremper albino male X Sunglow = ????

I never really cared about it much before, as long as i have healthy babies, i just made sure when i got them from my breeder, to ask that everyone was compatable genetically, to avoid defects.

Do you guys know what i'll get from those breedings?

also, what if i bred the mack afghan(male) with the super hypo tangerine(female)?

or would he make prettier babies with another female i have? I wanted to get one more breeding in this season, and was hoping to do that pair up, but id like to get an idea of what id get first. (if he'd be better with another female, i'll wait till next season)

thanks so much for your time! let me know what you think!
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[ReptiBonez17]

(also, i shouldn't include the sunglow in future breedables, bc she will be retired after this season.)

 

[Notmyfault]

My opinion is if you don't know what you'll get out of it, then you aren't ready to get into leo breeding. I think these are questions that should have been answered before you took the plunge. I would do more research as to what is exactly behind the genetics of each of your animals and figure out what will become of it. Also are you able to care for all those babies? These are things to consider before you start breeding more. Just my 2 cents.

Anyway to answer your question there are many resources online that can help you out other than this forum. While I am not as experienced as some of the people here on this forum, I have posted links that I think may help you out. Good luck!

Heres the link to the genetics calculator.
http://www.lovegeckos.com/Genetics.aspx

You could also look up Matt Baronak's Youtube videos on leo breeding. Here's his channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/sasobek11

www.leopardgeckowiki.com is also a great resource.

 

[ReptiBonez17]

There are tons of people on here who dont know what theyre going to get. People who use the calculators. I dont really think saying that if i dont know the outcome, i shouldnt breed is fair. This is my first go at it, i keep records of weight, feedings, what they all are, and when I purchase from my breeder, even when i was not breeding, i made sure whatever i purchased was compatible. So unless i was misinformed, i know what i have is safe to breed together. I would like to learn more, and i believe this is very much a learning process.

I tried the calculator, but i couldnt get the "milliondollargecko" one posted earlier to work.
I know the morphs of my geckos, but not background genetics as far as their parents and so on go. I would like to learn how to be able to tell by genetics what im going to get though:]

What would i enter for sunglow? because as i read in one of the threads that it had not been added yet.

thank you for your links!

and yes, we have the racks for the babies bought, and all our tubs ready, and waiting (not put together yet, but i do have my supplies) tupperware, meat trays, delicups, digital scale, vitamins, tank heaters, shop towels, all that jazz, but i'm still trying to educate myself further. I just wanted something to look forward to, a general idea of what my babies could look like. Its a process of constant learning, and thats what i'd like to do:] I can see how itd be crappy if i wasnt trying to find out, or educate myself on the subject, but i am reaching out for information.

 

[ReptiBonez17]

(by the way, i do not mean my comment to be an argument, as i respect your opinion, and do appreciate the help:] )

and i LOVE this leopardgecko wiki!!!

 

[Dimidiata]

Try not to take this wrong, ok?

CHANGE YOUR BLOODY FONT COLOR IN THE FIST POST We dont all have the 20/30 vision required to read the dang thing.

 

[ReptiBonez17]

lol i meant to change it back, i had changed it to blue, and seen how crappy it was. I thought for sure i had fixed it before i posted. My bad. Thank you for letting me know! Sorry about that!

 

[RampantReptiles]

What would i enter for sunglow?

http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/index.php?title=Sunglow

 

[ReptiBonez17]

none of that is available to enter, thats what im trying to figure out. i cant put in carrot tail, or anything like that to start with, to say "super hypo" then "albino" to say its a sunglow.
I had tried to look up an idea of what to put on LG wiki last night, as NotMyFault suggested the link. But theres obviously something im missing.
(also looked for Hybino, or the breakdown of that term, for sunglow)


and SHTCT isnt available within itself, in the calculator. so im asking, is there another way to put it into the calculator. (im trying to use lovegeckos)

thanks!

 

[The Gecko Person]

Anything with tangerine, hypo, carrot tail, and baldy, is normally line-bred. Whatever you breed those to will have influence from those morphs. (Albino x sunglow would probably give you albinos with 'sunglow' influence.)
Genetics-
http://vmsherp.com/LearningCenter.htm

 

[ReptiBonez17]

Anything with tangerine, hypo, carrot tail, and baldy, is normally line-bred. Whatever you breed those to will have influence from those morphs. (Albino x sunglow would probably give you albinos with 'sunglow' influence.)
Genetics-
http://vmsherp.com/LearningCenter.htm

thank you!!!!! thats good to know, i appreciate it

 

[andrew5859]

Oh, you bred your leopard geckos together.

Please tell me all about genetics and what you will produce.
#Condescending Wonka.

Sorry couldn't resist.

But seriously NotMyFault has a very legitimate point.
If you don't know the proper genetics of your animals and what you will even produce then you shouldn't be pairing them together. Period. That's just my two cents and i'm almost positive you wont listen to it just like everyone else but seriously consider what you are getting into.

On a side note it is all totally up to you in what you would like to produce. Everyone has different tastes and likes different morphs so who would make "Prettier babies" is totally up to you! I like Mack Raptor stuff personally because of the afghan influence so the mack afghan to the Mack snow tremper would be my choice. You would get super snows out of that also.
You could use http://www.leopardgeckomorphcalculator.co.uk/MorphCalculator.aspx
It is much better than love geckos and I find it to be the best morph calculator out there. It does tend to stay up to date also.

 

[Dimidiata]

You rang?

 

[Thorgecko707]

Chocolate Tremper is a product of incubation manipulation. All hatchlings wont carry any dark albino characteristics. I'd breed the Mack afghan male to everything and sell the two Tremper males. But that is just me. You'd get at best: hypo Mack with afghan influence and super snow het Tremper with afghan influence.
Lovegeckos calculator works best.

 

[lillith]

@Dimidiata
*gasp!*

That was horrifically funny! But not very nice. tsk tsk

OP, Everyone here has your (and your geckos') best interests at heart when they're advising you to learn genetics before breeding. We're in the middle of a bit of a flood in the leo market, precisely because people pick these geckos up and start breeding without checking genetics, and then they create offspring no one really wants, and then there's a surplus of geckos, which drags everyone's value down.

No, it's NOT about the money; it's actually about the fact that these are little lives and we are playing god. We need to be the most benevolent one we can be.

 

[Dimidiata]

Dont worry guys, i just wanted to be silly, wasnt actually directing it XP. Its just, when someone makes a suggestion, i have to go through with it!

 

[LoveGeckos.com]

It is much better than love geckos and I find it to be the best morph calculator out there. It does tend to stay up to date also.

You are most welcome to prefer one calculator over another, I get that and everyone has the own opinions and we all like different things.

I would like to point out that you cannot get more up to date than my leopard gecko calculator. Once all the base morphs are covered, Recessive, Co-dominant and dominant, then you have all the moprhs.

So if you decide that you want to breed a TUG Snow Giant Black Pearl W&Y het Bell, het Eclipse - if such morph existed, then you can just select the individual components.

It's an extreme example, but it is calculable in my calculator :main_yes:

Thanks
Andy

 

[Wild West Reptile]

You are most welcome to prefer one calculator over another, I get that and everyone has the own opinions and we all like different things.

I would like to point out that you cannot get more up to date than my leopard gecko calculator. Once all the base morphs are covered, Recessive, Co-dominant and dominant, then you have all the moprhs.

So if you decide that you want to breed a TUG Snow Giant Black Pearl W&Y het Bell, het Eclipse - if such morph existed, then you can just select the individual components.

It's an extreme example, but it is calculable in my calculator :main_yes:

Thanks
Andy

So how would you calculate a Halloween Mask/ Bold Stripe x Bold Stripe Afghan?

This is just and example that I think people get confused with the calculators with.

 

[LoveGeckos.com]

So how would you calculate a Halloween Mask/ Bold Stripe x Bold Stripe Afghan?

This is just and example that I think people get confused with the calculators with.

I guess I knew I would open myself up to this sort of question

It's a fair point though. They cannot be calculated in the same way as recessive, dominant or co-dominant.

The simple answer is becuase they are Polygenic (Poly=Many) & (Genic=Genes) and they are not a given and are very hard to predict and in many occasions are random.

With the Afghan, that is a more interesting one, but I would classify that as a Wild Type. Yes it is a sub species, but where do you start and where do you stop? If you breed a Afghan to a Macularius is it then 50% afghan, then breed it again to something else het this and that, where are we now? That would mean I would have to have an option to select 50% Aghan at the start, I prefer to put them together under Wild Type.

I have also said that they calculator shouldn't be the only resource to help people, and that people should read and research as much as possible. There are some great resources out there.

A good start point would be Polygenic traits, it would give people a good start point. Ron Tremper has a good section in his new book, and lists all these traits and VMS herp has a good article on Poly traits.

Take RAPTOR for example, you can breed two perfect patternless RAPTORS together, and throw stripes, reverse stripes, jungles, banded etc - this is polygenic traits at play.

As you can see the only traits that can be calculated are Tremper Albino and Eclipse, the others stuff is random and a perctange cannot be put against them, it isn't clear cut.

Although the further you line breed the more you can lock in these traits. Sunglows are a good example of this.

However it is not uncommon to breed two nice carrot tails and throw junk, it can be at times luck of the draw.

I could write a lot more on this, and in fact I am writting a document on genetics to go on the website. Which I think would help, as I do not have one on there at the moment.

So for now I will not be adding Poly traits to my calculater, as I want to give people the most accurate predictions I can.

Thank you for the question.

All the best
Andy