what's best?

[Tarkah]

I have a male mack snow het 100% patternless and 66% het tremper albino
so still tryign to figure out how to fully understand how to use the genetics calculators with my guy

just wondering though what would be some best morphs to breed with a mack snow?

I wanna think this through and not throw random females at him to see what i get.

I do like SHTCT's and APTORS but not sure if those would be good morphs to work with a mack snow?

 

[T-ReXx]

Mack works well with just about any genetic combo other than TUG, Gem, or Line bred snow, and even then the only real issue is being able to identify snow offspring. Considering your male is 100% het patternless, possible het tremper, I would recommend breeding him to some sort of tremper and patternless female(or a tremper female and a patternless female). The tremper gene should be proved out, so a tremper is something you should definately consider. I personally would also stick to patternless females(or het patternless) because you know he carries genes for that. Beyond that, it's a matter of what you like/want to produce. SHTCTs are nice geckos, but in order to prove out I'd recommend a tremper sunglow over a plain shtct. APTOR does carry the tremper albino gene, so that would work fine to prove out for tremper. If it were my gecko, I'd look for a tremper patternless female(or tremper het patternless) and go that route, perhaps a mack snow tremper patternless in order to go for Super Snow Tremper Patternless(if you want to go the "white gecko" route). Only things you definately want to avoid are Bells or Rainwaters, as mixing albino genes is just a bad idea. If the male is bred to a tremper albino and doesn't produce any tremper offspring, then you can assume he is not in fact het tremper and can be bred to any albino strain you prefer to create hets. But for now, a tremper patternless female(other genes can be added if you wish, eclipse, mack snow, etc) would be the route I would take.

PS: Remember that the "patternless" genes associated with RAPTORS and APTORS isn't the same gene that your gecko most likely carries. In order to be het patternless, the gene in question must be recessive, and the only recessive patternless gene known atm is Murphy's patternless(commonly mislabled as leucistic). So you want a "Murphy's patternless" female, not a "patternless reverse stripe"(APTOR/RAPTOR) female.

 

[bman123]

I just got a MS three days ago lol. Here are my favorite MS combos
MS bold stripe
MS enigma
MS raptor
MS SHTCTB (aka- creamsickle)

Mack snows are awesome leos, they go with anything lol. I like plain MS and SS also. They are beautiful animals..

 

[Tarkah]

thanks for that really informative post!
I've heard a lot of breeders putting one gecko to another to prove them out. and this is to test if my gecko does in fact carry the t.albino gene?

So i could prove out the tremper albino as long as i match him to a gecko with tremper albino in them? like a tangelo?

I also love the tangerine line, but i have heard of people saying to keep the tangerine lines to themselves, and creamsickles take many generations to make.

 

[thegeckoguy23]

i like the baby mac snows when they are adults and if they lost there baby pattern and look like a normal to me then idc for them

 

[fallen_angel]

I have a male mack snow het 100% patternless and 66% het tremper albino
so still tryign to figure out how to fully understand how to use the genetics calculators with my guy

just wondering though what would be some best morphs to breed with a mack snow?

I wanna think this through and not throw random females at him to see what i get.

I do like SHTCT's and APTORS but not sure if those would be good morphs to work with a mack snow?

Snows are my favorite morph, hands down They go well with just about anything IMO, but since yours is het. Patty and possibly het. Tremper, I would want to breed him to a female that is also het. like others have said.

Mack works well with just about any genetic combo other than TUG, Gem, or Line bred snow, and even then the only real issue is being able to identify snow offspring.

I'm just curious why you say this, that Mack Snow does not go well with other Line Bred Snows? Is it only because you think that you'd have to identify the offspring as Mack or Line Bred? Because from what I've gathered in our projects, the offspring are a little of both, not just one or the other.. we posted a lot of info on breeding Mack Snow x Line Bred Snow (Albey's) here: http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?p=527811

 

[fallen_angel]

thanks for that really informative post!
I've heard a lot of breeders putting one gecko to another to prove them out. and this is to test if my gecko does in fact carry the t.albino gene?

So i could prove out the tremper albino as long as i match him to a gecko with tremper albino in them? like a tangelo?

I also love the tangerine line, but i have heard of people saying to keep the tangerine lines to themselves, and creamsickles take many generations to make.

Yes, to prove out the male, you need to breed him to another gecko carrying the Tremper albino gene. The percentage of poss. het. only describes the chance of actually being 100% het. So your male has a 66% chance to prove out that he is actually het. If he produces albinos then he is het. 100%.. if not, he's not het. at all. Hope that makes sense, it was confusing to me when I first got into geckos.

 

[thegeckoguy23]

depends what u want to try to pproduce

 

[T-ReXx]

I'm just curious why you say this, that Mack Snow does not go well with other Line Bred Snows? Is it only because you think that you'd have to identify the offspring as Mack or Line Bred? Because from what I've gathered in our projects, the offspring are a little of both, not just one or the other.. we posted a lot of info on breeding Mack Snow x Line Bred Snow (Albey's) here: http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?p=527811

I'm not saying you definately shouldn't combine snows, just that newer breeders should be careful with it. And the weird way that Mack genes interact with the other snows can make it difficult for some ppl to label their offspring(i.e. selling macksXLBS as Macks or just LBS, and not labeling them as Mack Snow X LBS). I'm about 50/50 on crossing the snow lines, on the one hand it's potentially "muddying the waters" and on the other it can produce some beautiful animals. I think as long as you keep accurate records(and all good breeders do) there's nothing wrong with snow mixin. This really only goes for LBS in my book, the fact that TUGs and Gems are Dominant genes makes things a bit trickier, imo. It's sort of like the "mixing tang lines" debate. Personally, I think it's a good way to produce beautiful animals, it's just necessary to be careful about labels. That being said, you produce some beautiful animals Jess, and in no way did I mean to offend you or any other responsible breeders out there crossing the snow lines.